[Brutalskills]

Should they add caves to the game????? they would be a good addition to the game because it would be something for people to fight for if they make it so there's not so many rocks around the world and there's a heap in the 1 or 2 cave systems. they would be a place where if someone made a base blocking it from everyone else they would need at least 7 doors to keep all the other groups wanting the ores from inside blowing in and taking it over.

[InsaneParrot]

For the future map, yeah. Caves would be pretty cool. Not deep ones, but ones into sides of hills/mountains. Hollow hills would be awesome.

[Malformedlama]

Fuck yeah! But that means changing the entire map... Doesn't sound like a bad idea, and it would put a great use to flashlights, but it would mean a LOT of kevlar camping cavemen XD

[NeonBG]

This would be pretty sick, wouldn't mind taking over a cave to settle in

[Brutalskills]

InsaneParrot posted:

For the future map, yeah. Caves would be pretty cool. Not deep ones, but ones into sides of hills/mountains. Hollow hills would be awesome.

maybe if they added deeper ones they have radiation in them and the further down u got the more radiation there is but once you get past a point there is a shitload of lootcrates or tonnes of ores or better yet when they add cars there could be a rare car at the bottom of a rad cave

[PrinceChawmin]

It be cool,hopefully it wont allow anyone to base there.

[Brutalskills]

PrinceChawmin posted:

It be cool,hopefully it wont allow anyone to base there.

if someone tried to make a base there maybe it would decay 5 times faster than normal

[Hatty]

Caves would definitely be an interesting addition. It would allow players to use natural structures as an outlining for their homes. As long as the caves aren't that big, I'm all for it.

[MaxOfS2D]

Our terrain system doesn't support this yet and it would require a big amount of work, so it's unlikely to happen for now

[Hatty]

I can see where this would be an issue. The current map is flat and there really is no room for them. The whole map would have to be redone and the game is only pre-alpha.

[InsaneParrot]

MaxOfS2D posted:

Our terrain system doesn't support this yet and it would require a big amount of work, so it's unlikely to happen for now

That's because it's a thin layer. I'm pretty sure with a little fiddling with Unity you'd be able to come out with a cave.

[GeekCream]

I want my hobbit home.

Bunkers would be better.

[duke2]

You could ask this guy what the status is of this particular project:

Cave and overhanging Cliffs System

[V1RUS]

Caves and beards!

[xzackattackx]

HOBBIT HOLES!

[Brutalskills]

if the hobbits had m4's and Kos then yes, hobbit holes.

[StormFreerun]

For the future map, yeah. Caves would be pretty cool. Not deep ones, but ones into sides of hills/mountains. Hollow hills would be awesome.

i think that u should be able to mine inside the caves than, would be awesome :D

[FartingFalcon]

StormFreerun posted:

i think that u should be able to mine inside the caves than, would be awesome :D

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[kurc]

Fuck yes

[RustyRust]

if they add caves i can already see those players who would block off the entrance to the cave and make the cave theirs

[JulleH1337]

And a mining helmet wouldn't be bad!

[Quirky]

Not if you can build / block inside of them. If they're just another area like the Rad zone chances are people will abuse it and build doors to block everyone else from getting in without having C4 charges ect.

But other than that would be a bit of fun.

[KillaMaaki]

The problem with caves is that Unity's terrain engine, as MaxOfS2D mentioned, does not support caves at all.
In order to implement caves, you need a radically different terrain engine, usually this means a voxel terrain (I believe Crysis has voxel terrain, that's why you can dig caves into the terrain).
The idea behind a voxel terrain is that it is represented as a 3D volumetric grid of values - think Minecraft. Just as in Minecraft, you can easily have caves, overhangs, and whatever else. The main difference from Minecraft is in the way this is converted to a mesh - the most common way to do this is via Marching Cubes algorithm to produce a smooth mesh.

There are some problems with this approach as compared to the current system. Currently, Unity uses just a raw heightmap. This is fairly RAM-friendly, but doesn't support overhangs. A volumetric grid, on the other hand, requires a fair bit of RAM - to the extent that you wouldn't want the whole world loaded all at once. This means you have to separate your terrain into chunks and load/unload these, and your infrastructure begins to dramatically climb in complexity.

[Kiraush]

Yes, all my yes.

[ZestyLemons]

KillaMaaki posted:

The problem with caves is that Unity's terrain engine, as MaxOfS2D mentioned, does not support caves at all.
In order to implement caves, you need a radically different terrain engine, usually this means a voxel terrain (I believe Crysis has voxel terrain, that's why you can dig caves into the terrain).
The idea behind a voxel terrain is that it is represented as a 3D volumetric grid of values - think Minecraft. Just as in Minecraft, you can easily have caves, overhangs, and whatever else. The main difference from Minecraft is in the way this is converted to a mesh - the most common way to do this is via Marching Cubes algorithm to produce a smooth mesh.

There are some problems with this approach as compared to the current system. Currently, Unity uses just a raw heightmap. This is fairly RAM-friendly, but doesn't support overhangs. A volumetric grid, on the other hand, requires a fair bit of RAM - to the extent that you wouldn't want the whole world loaded all at once. This means you have to separate your terrain into chunks and load/unload these, and your infrastructure begins to dramatically climb in complexity.

Alternatively, you can do what Far Cry 3 did and just cut holes in the terrain, and then make the cave out of models.

[Cookie-]

Caves should be added, would be really cool to have some cave systems!
But I really think that the ground around the entrance to the cave should be a non-building platue. So no late game guys just hog all the shit in the cave permanently.
Just a few squares around the entrance, that no one would be able to build anything on, that way you don't have to blast past 1-100 metal doors...

[KluKluxKid]

Make it impossible for people to put platforms or walls into caves by making the tunnels just small enough, or just pull some weird wizardry.

[ryker08]

'Ey, I think it should be a normal - rare chances of a bear spawning in it would be great! :P ( Like trap the bear in a hut when a dude raiding it, release the door and give 'em hell!)

[RogueNerdy]

As the terrain plane in unity has its limitations,
the only way is to model the whole cave system,
which will then eat up engines item limits to look good.
One way it could be done is if you make instances (its own cluster),
having abandon mine entrances, dwells etc that you activate and load a new area.
These areas could be non building and nopvp areas for the sole reason for PVE.
Like mining, exploring, hunting etc

[Cookie-]

RogueNerdy posted:

As the terrain plane in unity has its limitations,
the only way is to model the whole cave system,
which will then eat up engines item limits to look good.
One way it could be done is if you make instances (its own cluster),
having abandon mine entrances, dwells etc that you activate and load a new area.
These areas could be non building and nopvp areas for the sole reason for PVE.
Like mining, exploring, hunting etc

Then everyone would just camp outside set instance and kill everyone comming out from it?
Since there would be a loadingscreen to load the map again.

[Carpet_Blower]

Brutalskills posted:

maybe if they added deeper ones they have radiation in them and the further down u got the more radiation there is but once you get past a point there is a shitload of lootcrates or tonnes of ores

You sir have all my yesses.

[Brutalskills]

Cookie- posted:

Then everyone would just camp outside set instance and kill everyone comming out from it?
Since there would be a loadingscreen to load the map again.

they could add something outside to discourage the campers E.G bears,heavy rad zone , black zombies, shitonnes of wolves
and they could also make it so the ppl who go in have no reason to come back if they made it so one of the caves was a way to get to a new map/world - this would be a very hard to get to place if they added things
like zombies and complete darkness in the cave + this would give people something to aim for instead of just slaughtering fresh spawns

[ryker08]

RogueNerdy posted:

As the terrain plane in unity has its limitations,
the only way is to model the whole cave system,
which will then eat up engines item limits to look good.
One way it could be done is if you make instances (its own cluster),
having abandon mine entrances, dwells etc that you activate and load a new area.
These areas could be non building and nopvp areas for the sole reason for PVE.
Like mining, exploring, hunting etc

Maybe a higher chance of gold/silver? ( For skin of a weapon? nahh. )

[Carpet_Blower]

ryker08 posted:

Maybe a higher chance of gold/silver? ( For skin of a weapon? nahh. )

Gold Guns? Welcome to COD.

[ryker08]

Carpet_Blower posted:

Gold Guns? Welcome to COD.

Just sayin' i hate CoD anyway.

[lazermaniac]

Why focus on natural underground features? How about an abandoned fallout shelter a la gm_atomic or a highly radioactive missile silo? Man-made underground stuff would be pretty interesting to explore, I'd say. That approach also makes it easier to add them into a heightmap-based terrain, since the entrance can remain model-based without looking out of place. The issue of such features being blocked off still remains, but it could possibly be solved by adding radiation or severe cold inside of them.

[Cik]

Future, sure, but no where near a priority now.

[Brandy92]

ZestyLemons posted:

Alternatively, you can do what Far Cry 3 did and just cut holes in the terrain, and then make the cave out of models.

This is by far the easiest way to achieve caves.

https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/#/content/8277

[ryker08]

Carpet_Blower posted:

Gold Guns? Welcome to COD.

Or hey! Maybe a golden/silver bullet for extra damage

[Granujo]

ryker08 posted:

Or hey! Maybe a golden/silver bullet for extra damage

FMJ or Hollow point bullets would be good though.

Cheers!