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Post #521I think they limited the low price on late is to limit how many key they sell, If you think how many people are willing to stay up until midnight to buy a key?,
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People paying 100$ + for an alpha key are just out of their minds.
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Quote.. , I mean its good to want to help the dev financially, But i think would be better to have 20 people that pay the game 30 bucks but then help to debug the game, then 50 people that pay 150 just to bug abuse and cheat,
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How is it unfair to give people a choice to spend however much they want to support the game? It's their choice to buy it when it's expensive, not garry's lol. Obviously it is worth that much to them or they wouldn't have bought it at that point.
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Let me first start off by saying that the way this game is sold is just brilliant. I really hope garry will never finish this game, and let me tell you why.
The way of selling this game is one of the biggest reasons why the game industry is failing. Take Aliens:colonail marines by Gearbox software thousands of people pre ordered that pile of dung. It was no where near finished and wasn't worth a single penny. What did people do after they got ripped off they made hate video's spammed the forums etc. etc. What they don't realize it's all their fault for preordering in the first place. Why would you pay for something that you might not get? It's like paying for your groceries in advance but you might end up not getting fed.
People say they do it to support garry well that is a load of bull, if garry needed support he could try and ask first ,instead of making this cash grab of an auction. That's all it is really. Anyone who payed for this game isn't helping garry they are destroying the game industry as a whole. Let's take metro 2033 as an example if you preordered you get rangermode else you will have to buy it for another 5$. This is absolute crap and why because people let that happen to them. If we wouldn't stupidly preorder they couldn't make those demands.
Just like this game now, this auction thing will open the doors to other developers to sell their unfinished games for alot more then they are worth and in the end we will all pay for it. Games will get worse and worse and we will start paying for the games before they are even developed.
And garry, garry is just shamelessly abusing this practice to gain as much money as possible from this indy.
Let me end with this, i'm not saying this will be a bad game or that it won't be finished. All i'm saying is STOP paying for things that aren't there. If garry needs support or money there are other ways.
For all of you who bought this game watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5Uj4XIT1Y
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It was either selling keys or having people get scammed/spamming the forums for keys.
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Wait, a business trying to make money? Are you sure?
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In a lot of ways I agree. It's part of the reason we never did Kickstarter.. because you're pre-ordering an idea.
But we have a game. It may not be perfect - but we have the foundations to build on. And people get to play it straight away when they buy a key.
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It would be awesome if people would wait to go "gung-ho" on the keys until the price is lower so the less rich could purchase one. That would be awesome. Maybe if we rushed the keys when they were like 20$ then I could buy one. Just saying.
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Actually Garry, most of the Kickstarters give pre-alpha or alpha access (whichever stage it already is in) for one level, beta for another, and then there's final release for another. You COULD have done Kickstarter and gotten EXACTLY the same thing as there, except without the ridiculous margins that you're pulling because of a bunch of kiddies with access to someone else's money.
The worste part of the ENTIRE ordeal is that REAL alpha and beta testers aren't there for fun, they are there to find problems in the system. They could be gameplay imbalances, map bugs, engine bugs, etc., but the testers are there to FIND those bugs. It's a job because you have to find it and attempt to make an actual account of how you go to that point.
You're just selling an unfinished product to the masses of little kids who have seen Garry's Mod and have no sense of the value of money. Those little kids aren't going to be looking for bugs to report for fixing, they're going to be just playing the game and if they do find bugs, look to abuse them instead of report them for fixing.
I'm not saying it's not your full and utter right to do whatever the hell you want on your website, game, or whatever property you have. I'm just saying be honest about what you are ACTUALLY doing. Video games are nothing more than a form of entertainment and entertainment is a form of art. Art is suppose to be something of quality, made not to bring in riches, but rather to give the world something amazing.
P.S. I watched Garry's Mod back when it was brand new and was amazed at how good it was. You made an AMAZING piece of software simply because you wanted to do something cool, without regard for money. Now you are making something and selling it out before it's even finished, which will effect the outcome of the game, whether by diminished quality in the game or a fast dying game due to hype burnout. If you are here to make a great product, then figure out a different way to bring in testers. If you're just looking to cash out already, don't expect your games to ever live up to more than the same type of crappy product CoD has become.
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I don't agree that we're selling Rust off the back of GMod. We're probably selling more copies to people who have played DayZ.
Yes we're selling alpha access. So did minecraft. So did a lot of other games. Why does this make us awful people?
When we were giving away small amounts of keys all we ever got was people asking for a way to buy a key. Now we do that you think we're the bad guys? Would we be bad guys if we sold them for $1? And then the servers get flooded and the game is unplayable for everyone?
There's a reason we do it like this. And it's not entirely motivated by money. Yes we're making money. Yes we made the game to make money. The game wouldn't exist if that wasn't the case. GMod started off free - but development would have stopped 7 years ago if I didn't make any money from it.
tl;dr - this is a business. if our product is shit no-one will buy it. make a good product, make players happy, make more money. everyone is happy?
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Garry did the keys stop being sold, or is it just me???
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Damn, watching that timer, money, and keys tick down was the highlight of me coming to work!
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All you Whiners are shtone mad.
I think its a brill way of selling the game, I only wish I could create games like this so I could do it.
I paid 35 dollars something I believe and it was worth every penny,
Even though its only an Alpha.
I bought Arma 3 in alpha and now its going for 45 quid and has epic graphics.
I have seen garrys mod but never played it, I am a DayZ player and I haven't even looked at dayZ since I bought this key.
I imagine the only ppl who should be raging are the makers of Arma and the likes,
Not gamers, This is one of the most enjoyable games I have played in a good while nd its an Alpha!
Course there is the odd thing that's annoying for ppl are taking the advantage of it being an alpha and also I find quite a bit of the community a bit :-/ but I see improvement every time I log in.
I reckon the Devs are doing a great job and once its at the stage where server wipes are no longer needed we'll see a great steady player base that's enjoyable.
ppl need to chill and if you don't like, go play lol or troll pplz youtube videos or whatever it is ye do in your lovely fulfilled lives
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I really don't get why people keep going back to this dumb point. You get the finished product. It's just like buying a game normally except with this you decide the price, while getting early access + helping it grow by giving feedback. Don't like the price it's at now?? then be patient and buy it when it's lower, problem solved.
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If some people would only wait until the price dropped before bum rushing the keys. You know, that'd be kinda awesome.
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I decided that it isn't worth it to try and reason with the Rust crowd.
And to whoever said that gmod is piggy-backing off of Rust, I think the proof that it isn't true is pretty obvious. Just look at the Rust forum. Most (all?) the idiots posting there are brand new accounts with < 10 posts.
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garry/postal this is the internet
you are ALWAYS the bad guy, especially when somebody doesnt get what they want from you
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My problem isn't selling alpha access, it's HIGHLY limiting the supply flow then using a dutch auction to sell said supply which causes the price to move up to ridiculous levels.
Yes Minecraft was sold during alpha, for $13. These keys are going for over $45/each. Unless you are going to sell the final version for $60, you're selling the under-developed product for more than the final product. THAT is my problem with what you are doing, not the selling alpha access. If you just want to sell some keys, increase the supply flow to 500/day.
Also, just because a product will sell doesn't mean it's not utter garbage that will get thrown to the wayside on the turn of a hat. The Call of Duty lineup (post MW1) is utter proof of that. Most of the people buying keys are probably part of the ADD crowd which stays with a product until the next new shiny thing is dangled in their face. This is the EXACT reason Rocket hasn't released the Dayz stand alone alpha, because he wants to make a great product, not cash in on the hype.
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Garry i get the $1 part but you know better them me that you will close this dutch action even before the price will go even closo to that ammount, Also the part regarding ''if our product is shit no-one will buy it'' Look at cod and other supposed AAA title they are crap yet still manage to sell many person cant even tell the difference between gold and copper,
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Better yet, look at the Kardashians. They get more view time on TV than Tom Brokaw EVER did and he gave the US it's news. Exactly what meaningful or high quality content do the Kardashians bring? Nothing, just LOADS of bottom of the barrel drivel, EVERY episode.
One McDonalds sells more food than Gordon Ramsey could hope to sell in a lifetime, and yet their food is dog shit compared to his.
I could keep going but if you're half as intelligent as you should be, you should already get the point.
P.S. You don't have to sell your game for $1 in alpha but you're purposely creating liquidity risk to drive up prices and because the ADD kids would rather pay $100 rather than wait 30 minutes, they'll drop the cash. Increase the liquidity by increasing supply flow and you wouldn't look like someone trying for a cash grab. Of course then the price would drop to like $15 but then again, that's the idea.
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People are paying it what they think it's worth though. If it isn't worth the $45, nobody would buy it at that point.
And as Garry said before, he won't release more keys at once, because he doesn't want to flood the servers.
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You seem to be suggesting that by charging LESS there'd be LESS idiots?
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Are you suggesting that if you pay it more then you can be considered smarter than poor 15$ idiots? More you spend -> less stupid you are! We could make a new slogan out of it.
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No - I'm not making statements about the IQ of people who buy video games based on prices. It's not something that concerns me.
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Ignore them.Don't give a damn to them.
Have less stress.
Go on,we are looking forward to future updates of this awesome game!
P.S Do you have any idea when we can rent a private server?How much would it cost?
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We'll probably eventually give out the server binaries so you can host whatever you like. But we haven't discussed much about that yet.
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Ah,I hope you do hehe :P
If you're gonna make this into a day z type game I hope there will be hackshield and stuff :P jus tsaying
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No I'm suggesting that by charging more, you ONLY are getting the people who have ZERO patience and are known to have the greatest attrition rate. So the entire crowd will leave, causing the game to fizzle out or at least fall to a level where you may end up not finishing it.
If you release the server bin's would they be packaged with the client bin's, or would it be extra?
P.S. I could easily afford to pay $250/key, I'm just not stupid enough to grossly overpay for something. That is why I could afford to pay such a high price, because I don't. Hell it's why I play games for 3-4 years before I move to a different game.
(User was permabanned for this post ("please leave us alone" - garry))
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This^^^^^^ Big time Gary
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Wow, can't believe there is people complain about the price. I think the dutch auction is a great way to sell this game. If you don't wanna pay $45 dollars for it (Which I did, was worth every penny so far), then f**king wait until the hype has died down and get it at a later date cheaper.
Good work so far Garry and Team, looking forward to seeing this game grow!
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????????I'm stating a fact or a suggestion :(
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True i wasn't questioning it, Its how you decided to sell the alpha key that did let me a bit ''puzzled'', For how much i would like to join you guys and do actual ''beta test'' the game unlike someone, I am unwilling to pay 60 USD+ for it,
Alael
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Looks like an awesome game! I just witnessed the first key of today sell for $120+ but I think i'm going to wait until its at my price range :P
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Then don't :)
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This post will probably get me ban-hammered but are you planning to wipe EU at all?
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Garry does allow you to buy it for lower than 60 USD, in fact he theoretically allows you to buy it for 0.00 USD. He is actually being generous since he could set the lowest price to the previous day's average making it more expensive.
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Gawd dayum guys. SRSLY! Can we just wait like until the price drops BELOW 40 dollars. Jesus, let some of others have a chance.
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Well when he's got a hundred suckers a day, investing with their mom's credit card, I'm not surprised. Garry, you sure you've never worked for Amway? Or Zeal?
People...Do yourselves all a favor and stop...just stop... If you ever look at some guy in a nicer car, with clothes on his back you doubt he earned, just remember you helped fund one of those guys with your hard earned money from mom's purse.
Garry, I hope juveniles with loaded parents turn out to really help develop your bank accoun---I mean help develop your totally original game...what with those totally original crafting-mechanic ideas and zombies...Might want to hold off on that over-weight plumber with the blue overalls and red hat concept. Ah, what the hay! Throw him in too!
I can tell you for certain myself, my entire family, and all my contacts and friends in the gaming community agree they will not be purchasing this product or any others trying to sell "off-the drawing board" versions like their some sort of "investments"...
Give me a break. lol, watch me get banned like all the other people on here who "don't agree" with all the cult-like masses. Garry, money may buy you nice things, just remember - us guys who knew about you, and respected you once for your hard work and efforts put into G-Mod - we don't think that any more.
Me? Money can't replace respect and reputation.
(User was permabanned for this post ("only here to complain/I thought you were leaving already" - postal))
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This is honestly the fairest way that I can imagine to sell Rust access. If you want to pay $1 for it, you can! You just have to be patient and wait till everyone who views the game and the development of the game as more valuable than that has paid whatever they think it is worth. People seem to forget that just because you want something doesn't mean that you're entitled to it, especially if someone else is willing to pay more for it than you are.
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