1. Post #1
    some fucking idiot posted:
    The brilliant writer Suzanne Moore and I go back a long way. I first met her when she was a young single mother living in a council flat; she took me out to interview me about my novel Ambition (republished by Corvus Books this spring, since you ask) for dear dead City Limits magazine. "I've got an entertaining budget of £12.50!" she said proudly. "Sod that, we're having lobster and champagne at Frederick's and I'm paying," I told her. Half a bottle of Bolly later, she looked at me with faraway eyes: "Ooo, I could get to like this…" And so she did.

    I have observed her rise to the forefront of this country's great polemicists with a whole lot of pride – and just a tiny bit of envy. I am godmother to her three brilliant, beautiful daughters. Though we differ on certain issues we will have each other's backs until the sacred cows come home.

    With this in mind, I was incredulous to read that my friend was being monstered on Twitter, to the extent that she had quit it, for supposedly picking on a minority – transsexuals. Though I imagine it to be something akin to being savaged by a dead sheep, as Denis Healey had it of Geoffrey Howe, I nevertheless felt indignant that a woman of such style and substance should be driven from her chosen mode of time-wasting by a bunch of dicks in chicks' clothing.

    To my mind – I have given cool-headed consideration to the matter – a gaggle of transsexuals telling Suzanne Moore how to write looks a lot like how I'd imagine the Black and White Minstrels telling Usain Bolt how to run would look. That rude and ridic.

    Here's what happened. In a book of essays called Red: The Waterstones Anthology, Suzanne contributed a piece about women's anger. She wrote that, among other things, women were angry about "not having the ideal body shape – that of a Brazilian transsexual". Rather than join her in decrying the idea that every broad should aim to look like an oven-ready porn star, the very vociferous transsexual lobby and their grim groupies picked on the messenger instead.

    I must say that my only experience of the trans lobby thus far was hearing about the vile way they have persecuted another of my friends, the veteran women's rights and anti-domestic violence activist Julie Bindel – picketing events where she is speaking about such minor issues as the rape of children and the trafficking of women just because she refuses to accept that their relationship with their phantom limb is the most pressing problem that women – real and imagined – are facing right now.

    Similarly, Suzanne's original piece was about the real horror of the bigger picture – how the savagery of a few old Etonians is having real, ruinous effects on the lives of the weakest members of our society, many of whom happen to be women. The reaction of the trans lobby reminded me very much of those wretched inner-city kids who shoot another inner-city kid dead in a fast-food shop for not showing them enough "respect". Ignore the real enemy – they're strong and will need real effort and organisation to fight. How much easier to lash out at those who are conveniently close to hand!

    But they'd rather argue over semantics. To be fair, after having one's nuts taken off (see what I did there?) by endless decades in academia, it's all most of them are fit to do. Educated beyond all common sense and honesty, it was a hoot to see the screaming mimis accuse Suze of white feminist privilege; it may have been this that made her finally respond in the subsequent salty language she employed to answer her Twitter critics: "People can just fuck off really. Cut their dicks off and be more feminist than me. Good for them."

    She, the other JB and I are part of the minority of women of working-class origin to make it in what used to be called Fleet Street and I think this partly contributes to the stand-off with the trannies. (I know that's a wrong word, but having recently discovered that their lot describe born women as 'Cis' – sounds like syph, cyst, cistern; all nasty stuff – they're lucky I'm not calling them shemales. Or shims.) We know that everything we have we got for ourselves. We have no family money, no safety net. And we are damned if we are going to be accused of being privileged by a bunch of bed-wetters in bad wigs.

    It's been noted before that cyberspace, though supposedly all new and shiny, is plagued by the age-old boredom of men telling women not to talk and threatening them with all kinds of nastiness if they persist in saying what they feel.

    The trans lobby is now saying that it wasn't so much the initial piece as Suzanne's refusal to apologise when told to that "made" them drive her from Twitter. Presumably she is meant to do this in the name of solidarity and the "struggle", though I find it very hard to imagine this mob struggling with anything apart from the English language and the concept of free speech.
    To have your cock cut off and then plead special privileges as women – above natural-born women, who don't know the meaning of suffering, apparently – is a bit like the old definition of chutzpah: the boy who killed his parents and then asked the jury for clemency on the grounds he was an orphan.

    Shims, shemales, whatever you're calling yourselves these days – don't threaten or bully us lowly natural-born women, I warn you. We may not have as many lovely big swinging Phds as you, but we've experienced a lifetime of PMT and sexual harassment and many of us are now staring HRT and the menopause straight in the face – and still not flinching. Trust me, you ain't seen nothing yet. You really won't like us when we're angry.
    Source

    i can't.

    i just can't. how the fuck did this get published.
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  2. Post #2
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    I thought the whole point was that they wanted to cut it out?
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  3. Post #3
    BroDuck's Buttslut
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    Wow.
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  4. Post #4
    I thought the whole point was that they wanted to cut it out?
    i'd say nice try, but that's not even remotely comical.

    (edit: i mean you're basically doing the same thing as the article. it's just as dumb and insensitive.)
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  5. Post #5
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    Dennab
    January 2005
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    I thought the whole point was that they wanted to cut it out?
    I think you're trying to make a joke here but I don't get it
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  6. Post #6
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    July 2005
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    Not another shit storm.

    FP stop it with your TS & TG fetishism. It's annoying.
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  7. Post #7
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    August 2009
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    Not another shit storm.

    FP stop it with your TS & TG fetishism. It's annoying.
    huh
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  8. Post #8
    BroDuck's Buttslut
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    January 2011
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    hes saying these sort of topics go out of hand with dumb arguing
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  9. Post #9
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    August 2011
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    :| tl;dr
    i read only few paragraphs

    (User was banned for this post ("tl;dr" - Orkel))
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  10. Post #10
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    Not another shit storm.

    FP stop it with your TS & TG fetishism. It's annoying.
    what
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  11. Post #11
    President of the Westboro Baptist Church Fan Club
    Dennab
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    More like cut it off.
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  12. Post #12
    Ex-Least Respected Usergroup
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    June 2007
    7,100 Posts
    :| tl;dr
    i read only few paragraphs
    Then why are you in the news section if you don't want to read things. In fact why even comment on it.
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  13. Post #13
    If someone calls you a whore, salute them!
    T-Sonar.0's Avatar
    July 2007
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    What a fucking retard.
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  14. Post #14
    Official Smiles.
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    Shims, shemales, whatever you're calling yourselves these days – don't threaten or bully us lowly natural-born women, I warn you. We may not have as many lovely big swinging Phds as you, but we've experienced a lifetime of PMT and sexual harassment and many of us are now staring HRT and the menopause straight in the face – and still not flinching. Trust me, you ain't seen nothing yet. You really won't like us when we're angry.
    WTF
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  15. Post #15
    I know nothing about you but fuck it here's a title
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    Apparently someone's angry
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  16. Post #16
    If someone calls you a whore, salute them!
    T-Sonar.0's Avatar
    July 2007
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    i'd say nice try, but that's not even remotely comical.
    Even though you're rating him dumb he's right. It actually doesn't make any sense because sex reassignment surgery doesn't involve "cutting off" the penis.
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  17. Post #17
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    January 2012
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    god forbid someone does something with their own body
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  18. Post #18
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    MY SUFFERING IS WORSE THAN YOURS! -this article
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    Wait. I read the article but I still don't get it. Is she a feminist who is angry at transsexuals?
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  20. Post #20
    Pomf =3
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    sigh.

    i really fucking hate people.

    Wait. I read the article but I still don't get it. Is she a feminist who is angry at transsexuals?
    i think so? its written rather poorly.

    and if she is a feminists then ugh. im tired of "feminists" who only care about ciswomen ffs.
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  21. Post #21
    If someone calls you a whore, salute them!
    T-Sonar.0's Avatar
    July 2007
    13,748 Posts
    MY SUFFERING IS WORSE THAN YOURS! -this article
    Not even.

    It's literally a bitchfit consisting of nothing but, "HOW DARE YOU PEOPLE BACKLASH AT MY FRIEND'S BIGOTRY YOU FUCKING BULLIES!!!!!" with a side of demeaning insults.
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  22. Post #22
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    Im not completely sure what i just read.
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  23. Post #23
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    Dennab
    January 2005
    4,680 Posts
    Shims, shemales, whatever you're calling yourselves these days – don't threaten or bully us lowly natural-born women, I warn you. We may not have as many lovely big swinging Phds as you, but we've experienced a lifetime of PMT and sexual harassment and many of us are now staring HRT and the menopause straight in the face – and still not flinching. Trust me, you ain't seen nothing yet. You really won't like us when we're angry.
    ah hah this is almost like a "check your privilege" spiel

    except serious :(
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  24. Post #24
    ultimate poster
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    November 2007
    13,538 Posts
    lmao i can't even fathom this article

    i just cant
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  25. Post #25
    Not that bad of a seed
    asteroidrules's Avatar
    January 2011
    10,831 Posts
    i can't.

    i just can't. how the fuck did this get published.
    I just want to clarify: I'm rating agree because I agree with postman's comment, not the article.
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  26. Post #26
    Thread of the Year 2013 Runner Up

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    Why can't they just be more tolerant?
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  27. Post #27
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    Judas's Avatar
    April 2011
    5,774 Posts
    I think i've rated more dumbs in this thread than I have in the past 3 months combined
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  28. Post #28
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    October 2009
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    can smell a shitstorm brewing faster than the speed of light.
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  29. Post #29
    I know nothing about you but fuck it here's a title
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    something will probably happen, there's 2000+ comments already.
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  30. Post #30
    I'm different!
    Doctor Zedacon's Avatar
    July 2006
    13,808 Posts
    I got a headache reading this and now I just want to smash my keyboard in to my face.
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  31. Post #31
    If someone calls you a whore, salute them!
    T-Sonar.0's Avatar
    July 2007
    13,748 Posts
    And then on the same exact site.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...rans-community

    What.

    Hope the bitch was fired to be honest.
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  32. Post #32
    SCREAMS 4 DA FURRY PORN
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    don't threaten or bully us lowly natural-born women, I warn you. We may not have as many lovely big swinging Phds as you, but we've experienced a lifetime of PMT and sexual harassment and many of us are now staring HRT and the menopause straight in the face – and still not flinching. Trust me, you ain't seen nothing yet. You really won't like us when we're angry
    lol
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  33. Post #33
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    November 2007
    5,324 Posts
    This is really stupid. I agree that transgender activists can sometimes be a little extreme (see: glitter-bombing Dan Savage), but this is just ignorant and needlessly cruel.
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    August 2011
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    We may not have as many lovely big swinging Phds as you, but we've experienced a lifetime of PMT and sexual harassment and many of us are now staring HRT and the menopause straight in the face – and still not flinching. Trust me, you ain't seen nothing yet. You really won't like us when we're angry.
    so basically it's like The Incredible Hulk if Bruce Banner was an awful person

    okay
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  35. Post #35
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    October 2012
    1,289 Posts
    Seems like transphobia is still cool even if homophobia isn't.
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  36. Post #36
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    April 2007
    4,168 Posts
    Some people really need to be set on fire.

    Honestly this sort of shit would look out of place in the fucking Sun or The Daily Mail, but in the Guardian? Wow.
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  37. Post #37
    Pomf =3
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    October 2008
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    This is really stupid. I agree that transgender activists can sometimes be a little extreme (see: glitter-bombing Dan Savage), but this is just ignorant and needlessly cruel.
    i dont like glitter bombing just cause its stupid but dan savage really is a dick to both transpeople and bi people

    and before you ask no i cant pull up the sources because i dont have them anymore.
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  38. Post #38
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    April 2011
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    Ah yes, I already saw this earlier today, so fucking ridiculous.

    Also amazing @

    we've experienced a lifetime of PMT and sexual harassment
    Fun Fact: Trans Women have a MUCH higher rate of rape and sexual harassment than cis women. And those rapes usually turn into murders in the end.
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  39. Post #39
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    December 2007
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    The thing about the guardian is that nearly all the comment section writers are pants-on-head retarded. It's like they shunted all their awful into one, easy to contain section.

    Guess that explain why the one writer that isn't pants-on head retarded (Charlie Brooker) is so freaking cynical.
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  40. Post #40
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    October 2007
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    It looks like someone wants to get fired.
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