1. Post #1
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1560251.html

    The California State Senate approved a bill that would make California the first state in the nation to ban the use of conversion therapy, a type of psychotherapy aimed at turning LGBT people straight, among minors.
    The bill, SB1172, passed with a 23-13 vote on Wednesday, and will now go on to the Assembly.


    "The entire medical community is opposed to these phony therapies," said Senator Ted W. Lieu (D-Torrance) at the hearing. “These non-scientific efforts have led in some cases to patients later committing suicide, as well as severe mental and physical anguish. It's not just that people are wasting their time and money on these therapies that don't work, it's that these therapies are dangerous."
    In an interview with The Huffington Post, Claudia Miles, a psychotherapist in private practice in Marin County, agreed.
    "It is extremely harmful to convince a child or teen that there is something fundamentally wrong with him when it is recognized and acknowledged that in fact, there is not," she said. "The damage done in this equation is unimaginable."

    At the hearing, Lieu also argued that the therapy was invalid because it treated homosexuality as a disorder.
    “Being lesbian or gay or bisexual is not a disease or mental disorder for the same reason that being a heterosexual is not a disease or a mental disorder,” Lieu said. “The medical community is unanimous in stating that homosexuality is not a medical condition.”
    However, the ban is not without its critics.
    The National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) quickly came out against the bill on its website, citing it as inappropriate government intrusion.
    "Bull," said licensed marriage and family therapist Dr. Tara Fields in response. "There are so many laws and guidelines regarding therapy because it is such a sacred resource for humans. People who come in here sometimes have serious psychological damages and it is essential that those boundaries exist."
    Fields said that, while there is little evidence supporting the success of conversion therapy, there is much evidence to support its impacts.
    "There are those who have white-knuckled it and claimed that they've been converted. But research has shown profound negative psychological impacts, including anxiety and depression, as a result," she told HuffPost. "And as therapists, we don't have a right to decide what other people's values should be."
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    or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO

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    Fucking good. I remember reading some girl's account of a camp that did this stuff.

    Shit was terrible. Horrifying.
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    or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO
    These non-scientific efforts have led in some cases to patients later committing suicide, as well as severe mental and physical anguish.
    People can be talked into stuff you know, especially with how much gays are ridiculed by assholes, they can easily be pressured into wanting to be "normal" as people define it, without knowing the risks like that.
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    hey
    Ownederd's Avatar
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    or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO
    its pseudo-thepary that's a waste of money and doesn't resolve anything

    if you're gay, you're gay, there's nothing to argue about
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    Horrible therapy. I'd be interested to see what happens with therapy programs that aim to dissuade kids from getting sex changes. Would that be as much of a civil rights issue?
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    or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO
    Not if it harms other people
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    or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO
    Like forcing teenagers to do things they don't want to do. Things that will be harmful to their long term mental health?
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    Like forcing teenagers to do things they don't want to do. Things that will be harmful to their long term mental health?
    I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?
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    Alan Turing called me and he says he approves.
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    I'd buy that for a dollar
    Dennab
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    or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO
    You have no fucking idea how fucked up these places are.
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    or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO
    They brainwash people. So no, they shouldn't be allowed to do it.
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    I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?
    ...
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    I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?
    "I knew one person and he turned out fine! This event should represent all other events!"
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    I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?
    That's fine for your friends. It's a testament to their strength of character I guess.

    But lots of kids haven't turned out okay (ie. a high incidence of suicide), so if the practitioners are blatantly self interested, isn't it worth the government stepping in and persuading parents not to do this?
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    Fucking good. I remember reading some girl's account of a camp that did this stuff.

    Shit was terrible. Horrifying.
    I think this is it

    There are actually a lot of these brainwashing stories so I might be wrong
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    I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?
    You aren't making any sense at all
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    Fucking good. I remember reading some girl's account of a camp that did this stuff.

    Shit was terrible. Horrifying.
    Oh man I remember this, someone find it.
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    I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?
    I really wish I remembered where I read that thing so I could show it to you. Make you understand just how incredibly fucked up this stuff is.

    Because clearly the mere concept of brainwashing people to make them think something is horribly wrong with them just doesn't ring a bell for you.

    Oh man I remember this, someone find it.
    Yes, please. Someone do.

    Oh wait shit fuck, Lambeth is right. Read this PowerBall.
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    This isn't therapy because homosexuality is not a disorder. Who cares about the non-existent success rate, or the potential harm to patients? I think the biggest argument is that we need to stop looking at homosexuality as something that needs to be cured.
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    I think this is it

    There are actually a lot of these brainwashing stories so I might be wrong
    That story made me want to pull of some kind of jailbreak on these kids in these camps. Sweet Jesus my body is full of rage now.
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    I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?
    It amazes me you're able to talk out of your ass when your head is shoved so far up it.
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    This isn't therapy because homosexuality is not a disorder. Who cares about the non-existent success rate, or the potential harm to patients? I think the biggest argument is that we need to stop looking at homosexuality as something that needs to be cured.
    I think only the hyper right wing conservatives hold on to the belief that it's a mental disorder nowadays. And the nutballs like mormons.
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    hey
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    I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?
    it's an "human service" purely based on fear of what's not considered the "norm", so i have no idea why you're defending it
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    Fuck those camps. Good job Cali
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    I think this is it

    There are actually a lot of these brainwashing stories so I might be wrong
    Yeah this is it
    I'd have beaten the living shit out of my own mother and taken her to some sort of court for child abuse if she did that to me, completely honest
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    but then how are we going to stop the gay epidemic?
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    They brainwash people. So no, they shouldn't be allowed to do it.
    The same could be said for churches, schools, and television. Regardless of the stupidity or ineffectiveness of something, It's not the government's job to make your life choices for you.
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    It amazes me that 13 people actually voted against banning it. Actually, screw that, I can't begin to fathom how it was remotely legal in the first place.
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    or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO
    *excluding people made to go to these awful places
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    It's not the government's job to make your life choices for you.
    if the government isn't going to protect vulnerable citizen's the fuck is the point of having one in the first place?
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    The same could be said for churches, schools, and television. Regardless of the stupidity or ineffectiveness of something, It's not the government's job to make your life choices for you.
    You clearly haven't seen what these camps do. There's a difference between teaching someone or showing them a fantasy an actively trying to force them to repress a part of their psyche with no regard for the harm you are doing. Read that Reddit link up there.
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    If homosexuality is a choice then why would you need therapy to choose to be straight?
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    Seriously, what you said was just dumb.

    Edited:

    (ninjas in this place)
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    The same could be said for churches, schools, and television. Regardless of the stupidity or ineffectiveness of something, It's not the government's job to make your life choices for you.
    It's fraudulent to make the claim that these people will provide therapy for something that isn't even a disorder. The problem isn't that people are willingly going into these programs, the problem is that these programs are advertised as therapy when they really aren't. For someone to make that claim is misleading.

    Edited:

    And people who join these programs aren't really exercising free will because they are being coerced or mislead into thinking that these people will help. It's like saying that you have a choice whether to be scammed or not, so companies making fraudulent claims should be legal.
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    bake someone a cake with laxatives and viagra and then they will have poopboners
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    I think powerball just misunderstood the thread
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    #lmao #owned
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    this made no sense snip

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    So I just dug into some information about the people who run these camps.

    And of course it's right there on Wikipedia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_W...ls#Controversy

    Apparently the founder of this anti-gay organization is one of Mitt Romney's biggest campaign funders. Welp, guess the choice is clear now.

    Obama 2012.

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    or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO
    You mean like, you know, brainwashing confused and lost people into thinking their lifestyle is horrible and wrong? It's not a real 'therapy', it's brainwashing. This is not an opinion, this is SOLID fact.

    I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?
    Clearly you don't get anything, at all.

    It's fraud, it's lying, it's brainwashing. There is nothing 'good' about this therapy. It's taking confused people and making them even more confused, possibly even suicidal, as if somethings wrong with them, when there's nothing they can actually do, and there's not that is actually wrong.

    This therapy is as bad as forced abortions, forced religious conversion, forcing someone to think and act a certain way, forcing someone to live another life than their own, just because you don't like a certain issue which isn't actually an issue.

    The same could be said for churches, schools, and television. Regardless of the stupidity or ineffectiveness of something, It's not the government's job to make your life choices for you.
    You're right, it is not the governments job to choose your life. This is very correct, and a very noble and true statement. Except you're being pretty ignorant. It's the governments very duty to protect it's people from really bad things, specifically things like this. Brain washing, fraud, etcetc. It's like providing drugs to cure alcoholism, which don't actually cure anything at all, or using "quantum energy" in order to cure cancer, or make your OCD go away, or use the stars to predict the future. It's a bullshit science, and it should be banned outright nationally and completely.

    It's fraudulent to make the claim that these people will provide therapy for something that isn't even a disorder. The problem isn't that people are willingly going into these programs, the problem is that these programs are advertised as therapy when they really aren't. For someone to make that claim is misleading.

    Edited:

    And people who join these programs aren't really exercising free will because they are being coerced or mislead into thinking that these people will help. It's like saying that you have a choice whether to be scammed or not, so companies making fraudulent claims should be legal.
    Not only that, but the people going into these programs are at a fork in the road, they have no idea what to do, they're confused. They're letting others choose what only they should figure out.
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    One of these days, I'm going to cut you into little pieces.
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    proud to be a californian today
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