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    [TD][h2]AP: Russia slams NATO withdrawal from Afghanistan[/h2]
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    [TD]BRUSSELS (AP) Russia's foreign minister sharply criticized NATO's plan to withdraw its forces from Afghanistan by 2014, saying Thursday that coalition troops should remain in the country until Afghan government forces are capable of ensuring security.

    "As long as Afghanistan is not able to ensure by itself the security in the country, the artificial timelines of withdrawal are not correct and they should not be set," Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said.

    NATO plans to hand over lead responsibility for the war against the Taliban to the Afghan army and police by the middle of next year, then withdraw its troops by the end of 2014. The alliance already has started drawing down its forces, which reached a peak of about 140,000 last year.

    NATO leaders say that Afghan forces are improving rapidly and will be able to counter Taliban guerrillas after 2014. But critics have pointed to widespread drug use and the high desertion rate among government forces as signs that it remains unprepared to handle the insurgents.
    Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the alliance's secretary general, responded to Lavrov's criticism by saying the Afghan government has agreed with the withdrawal schedule, and that it is "definitely not artificial." He also urged Russia, China and other non-NATO countries to help fund the post-2014 Afghan armed forces.

    Afghan Defense Minister Abdul Rahim Wardak said that initially he also was worried about the drawdown. "Fortunately enough flexibility has been built into the plan ... so there will not be so much of an impact as many people were thinking," he said.

    The Afghan army and police are scheduled to expand to more than 350,000 members in the next several months. NATO has already handed over to them responsibility for security over half of the country's population, and the transition is set to continue.

    Lavrov, who attended a meeting of NATO defense and foreign ministers in Brussels, said China and other countries in Asia also are worried about the withdrawal schedule.
    Moscow views NATO's military effort in Afghanistan as crucial for its own security, including helping to prevent instability from spreading into ex-Soviet Central Asia.

    Russia, which is not a NATO member, has provided the alliance with air corridors and railway routes for carrying supplies to and from landlocked Afghanistan. The link has become particularly important since Pakistan blocked NATO supplies from crossing its territory following an alliance airstrike that killed 24 Pakistani border troops in November.

    On Thursday, Lavrov and NATO ministers discussed a plan to give the alliance a new logistics facility on Russian territory to transfer military cargo to and from Afghanistan.
    The proposal, now being considered by Russian lawmakers, would for the first time allow alliance members to set up a logistics facility in Ulyanovsk, Russia, for troops and cargo.
    Officials said there were "no differences" between the two sides on the use of the air base in Ulyanovsk.

    "We expect to expand the transit options offered to us by Russia ... to Afghanistan," NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said after the meeting. "We appreciate very highly Russia's contribution, which is based on our shared interests and contributes to our shared security."

    The former Cold War rivals remain sharply at odds, however, over a U.S.-led NATO missile defense plan in Europe that Washington says is aimed at deflecting a potential Iranian threat. Moscow fears it will eventually become powerful enough to undermine Russia's nuclear deterrent.

    Despite those differences, Russia has also cooperated with the alliance in suppressing piracy off the Somali coastline and in such areas as anti-terrorism, counter-narcotics and search-and-rescues at sea.
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  2. Post #2
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    My mind immediately jumped to the conclusion that they wanted payback for the attack on the Russian Embassy.

    Probably just criticizing them for not finishing what they started, though.
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    Since the Taliban is getting help from other countries that war won't stop any time soon anyway.

    At least it's a good thing the Afghanistan army/police is getting properly trained.
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    I would not mind seeing the matter resolved by the russians taking some of the NATO forces place as that would lower tensions between NATO and Russia.
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    sure lets go in with the incompetent americans who do their best to show how friendly the west can be by killing torturing and humiliating innocents, pissing on their bodies and ramming their cars of the road and then get the fuck out and leave them to the people that have tried fighting the invasion off forever yeah oh wow that will work so fucking well for us in the future. Thanks US.

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    That guys face is too funny for me to be serious
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    Since the Taliban is getting help from other countries that war won't stop any time soon anyway.

    At least it's a good thing the Afghanistan army/police is getting properly trained.
    We should focus on helping them take the reigns of their own country and leave.
    In all honesty, we shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place.
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    sure lets go in with the incompetent americans who do their best to show how friendly the west can be by killing torturing and humiliating innocents, pissing on their bodies and ramming their cars of the road and then get the fuck out and leave them to the people that have tried fighting the invasion off forever yeah oh wow that will work so fucking well for us in the future. Thanks US.
    you're raging
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    June 2011
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    The 'slam' is perfectly justified, but really - I dont see Afghanistan being able to regain control of the country in time soon. It's just such a massive clusterfuck that developed for centuries.
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    So now they suddenly care in keeping peace in a country when their embassy gets attacked.
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    He's not wrong, methinks Afghanistan will fall to bits when NATO leave. Thing is, if we leave, it falls apart, if we stay, more soldiers get killed for "no reason" and everyone hates the government. What a shitty situation.
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    Imagine if the US secretary of defense said that in 1989
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    Imagine if the US secretary of defense said that in 1989
    Maybe NATO should ask Russia for tips.
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    This coming from the country who after failing to take control of Afghanistan after a decade of occupation during the '70s-'80s said, "The iron will of the Afghani people cannot be broken," or something to that effect. I find this a little ironic.
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    Imagine if the US secretary of defense said that in 1989
    While CIA agents were loading gun shipments ready to leave for Afghanistan.
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    I fear Afghanistan's domestic forces won't be taking independent control over the country for a long time. Connections and roots run deep between the insurgents and certain powers. As soon as the peacekeeping forces leave, the country will slowly descend back into chaos through manipulation and perhaps even assassinations.
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    I would not mind seeing the matter resolved by the russians taking some of the NATO forces place as that would lower tensions between NATO and Russia.
    I think there's two sides to their view.
    The first would be that they should finish what they started.
    The second is probably that they have experience with the kind of "war" they are fighting there and want to see the US in a bad position because they are acting like it will be fine. They want to see the US fail publicly.

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    While CIA agents were loading gun shipments ready to leave for Afghanistan.
    Just like he said this while they're accused of shipping arms to Syria?

  19. Post #19
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    Alright, then send troops.

    Lets work together with Russia to promote stability in the country.

    Russia can use it as a means to mend bridges. Literally and figuratively in this case, I suppose. The US can use the help of another major military power. The US and Russia can play together for a while.

    Seems like a diplomatic opportunity. They already are helping out in the region. Our supplies roll through Russian airspace.
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    Alright, then send troops.

    Lets work together with Russia to promote stability in the country.

    Russia can use it as a means to mend bridges. Literally and figuratively in this case, I suppose. The US can use the help of another major military power. The US and Russia can play together for a while.

    Seems like a diplomatic opportunity. They already are helping out in the region. Our supplies roll through Russian airspace.
    America and Russia, best bros for life. I would love to see that happen.
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    This coming from the country who after failing to take control of Afghanistan after a decade of occupation during the '70s-'80s said, "The iron will of the Afghani people cannot be broken," or something to that effect. I find this a little ironic.
    The Soviet Union never tried taking control of Afghanistan, stop being dumb please.
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    Russia has always had a decent attitude of saying what problems someone has and what they should do while not caring about themselves and ignoring there problems or just not helping.

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    Alright, then send troops.

    Lets work together with Russia to promote stability in the country.

    Russia can use it as a means to mend bridges. Literally and figuratively in this case, I suppose. The US can use the help of another major military power. The US and Russia can play together for a while.

    Seems like a diplomatic opportunity. They already are helping out in the region. Our supplies roll through Russian airspace.
    Are you kidding Russia doesn't need to be involved just to improve relations with the USA why should I get a second plumber to fix a shitty job from the first plumber just so the plumbers can be friends it's ridiculous
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    The Soviet Union never tried taking control of Afghanistan, stop being dumb please.
    I don't know what kind of technicality you're using to justify that statement is, but If they didn't want to take control of Afghanistan why exactly did they invade in 1979, going to far as to assassinate the current leader and replace him with one they preferred? Then after that why did they go on to undertake a long lasting war against the Mujahideen?

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    Are you kidding Russia doesn't need to be involved just to improve relations with the USA why should I get a second plumber to fix a shitty job from the first plumber just so the plumbers can be friends it's ridiculous
    They don't actually have to contribute anything to the effort. They can simply send a medical core, or contractors coupled with sufficient forces to protect them.

    It isn't about what they accomplish in Afghanistan, it is simply about them working next to US troops and hopefully taking another step towards positive relations with Russia.
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    I don't know what kind of technicality you're using to justify that statement is, but If they didn't want to take control of Afghanistan why exactly did they invade in 1979, going to far as to assassinate the current leader and replace him with one they preferred? Then after that why did they go on to undertake a long lasting war against the Mujahideen?
    Support the Afghan armed forces, improve upon them, expand them and equip them to the best of their abilities in order to help the Afghani government regain control of the nation.

    They have not invaded Afghanistan in order to annex the region or directly curb the insurgents themselves. It is in no way comparable to the invasion of NATO forces.
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    Right, because we should listen to the Russians for advice on occupying Afghanistan.

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    I don't know what kind of technicality you're using to justify that statement is, but If they didn't want to take control of Afghanistan why exactly did they invade in 1979, going to far as to assassinate the current leader and replace him with one they preferred? Then after that why did they go on to undertake a long lasting war against the Mujahideen?
    Don't try to reason with him he will blindly support anything and everything Russia does.
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    Russia is likely already involved, Afghanistan and the middle-east has always been on their agenda. They no doubt have some sort of operative endgame they are trying to ensure the occurring of by publicly criticizing the USA to prolong a withdrawal.

  30. Post #30
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    Support the Afghan armed forces, improve upon them, expand them and equip them to the best of their abilities in order to help the Afghani government regain control of the nation.

    They have not invaded Afghanistan in order to annex the region or directly curb the insurgents themselves. It is in no way comparable to the invasion of NATO forces.
    Right because the communist thugs in Kabul were so popular that the Afghan people supported them at every turn, even while Government troops terrorized the population alongside their Soviet allies!
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    The Soviet Union never tried taking control of Afghanistan, stop being dumb please.
    Wiki Article on Hafizullah Amin posted:
    When the Afghan intelligence service handed Amin a report that the Soviet Union would invade the country and topple him
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafizullah_Amin

    And like America has done many places in the past, they attempted to install a puppet regime, which failed, and can in part be blamed for the rise in insurgency in Afghanistan.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafizullah_Amin

    And like America has done many places in the past, they attempted to install a puppet regime, which failed, and can in part be blamed for the rise in insurgency in Afghanistan.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan
    No Russia was trying to help the Afghans!
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    sure lets go in with the incompetent americans who do their best to show how friendly the west can be by killing torturing and humiliating innocents, pissing on their bodies and ramming their cars of the road and then get the fuck out and leave them to the people that have tried fighting the invasion off forever yeah oh wow that will work so fucking well for us in the future. Thanks US.
    Can't tell if trolling or just a really really large imbecile.

    Then I realized he uses IE.

    Edited:

    He's not wrong, methinks Afghanistan will fall to bits when NATO leave. Thing is, if we leave, it falls apart, if we stay, more soldiers get killed for "no reason" and everyone hates the government. What a shitty situation.
    This is how politics works.
    If NATO does nothing, so usually the U.S in most cases: We are called ass hats for not helping people in need
    If NATO actually does something: NO REASON! OCCUPYING COUNTRY! CORRUPT PIECES OF SHIT!
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafizullah_Amin

    And like America has done many places in the past, they attempted to install a puppet regime, which failed, and can in part be blamed for the rise in insurgency in Afghanistan.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan
    I was not aware Afghani intelligence is a prestigious, professional organization with absolutely no criticisms whatsoever. It's not like actual members of radical-nationalist movements were directly working for the KHAD or anything, and there is absolutely no way they could've falsified information to sway Amin's decision in their favor. Unheard of - really.
    Oh wait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHAD#Political_factions

    No Russia was trying to help the Afghans!
    If you would stop acting like a whiny child and actually read my posts, where I have clearly stated I was referring to the support of the Afghan armed forces, rather than civilian population - maybe I would take your posts seriously, instead all you've done so far is go 'lol dun listen to him his dumb xD'.
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    This coming from the country who after failing to take control of Afghanistan after a decade of occupation during the '70s-'80s said, "The iron will of the Afghani people cannot be broken," or something to that effect. I find this a little ironic.
    Who ever gave boxes to this guy needs to get his facts straight,
    Afghanistan was never concured by anyone since it existed.

    A Russian general said that they couldnt make it a Soviet country because they needed to sort themself out first as well,
    I'm 100% for a complete withdraw now that we've shown em how to set up a somewhat decent goverment and of course giving em lots of toys.
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    I was not aware Afghani intelligence is a prestigious, professional organization with absolutely no criticisms whatsoever. It's not like actual members of radical-nationalist movements were directly working for the KHAD or anything, and there is absolutely no way they could've falsified information to sway Amin's decision in their favor. Unheard of - really.
    Oh wait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHAD#Political_factions
    Yeah you're right the Soviets were actually doing good for Afghanistan.

    If you would stop acting like a whiny child and actually read my posts, where I have clearly stated I was referring to the support of the Afghan armed forces, rather than civilian population - maybe I would take your posts seriously, instead all you've done so far is go 'lol dun listen to him his dumb xD'.
    Wait, what? They weren't helping the Afghan people? They were only helping the armed forces? But were they helping Afghanistan as a whole, or just training the armed forces? What exactly were the Soviets doing in Afghanistan anyway? I'd like to hear it from you.

    Oh, and I didn't know making a sarcastic post classifies me as a "whiny child" as if I was whining about something, like you implied.

  37. Post #37
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    sure lets go in with the incompetent americans who do their best to show how friendly the west can be by killing torturing and humiliating innocents, pissing on their bodies and ramming their cars of the road and then get the fuck out and leave them to the people that have tried fighting the invasion off forever yeah oh wow that will work so fucking well for us in the future. Thanks US.
    What country are you from that the US got in a spat with recently?