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Post #361
What the hell. I wonder if HighVoltage undid the entities. They USED to all be func_detail, but looking at the map myself, the damn stairs undid themselves and are normal brushes again. What the hell happened...
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When he redid the stairs to be larger, he must have forgotten to func_detail them again, im doing that right now.
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Done.
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All doorway arches have been reverted to func_details (again), and the stairs going from the darkroom to the grass-field has been restored as a func_detail (again). As long as no issues arise from doing this, it will remain this way.
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Also, small texture misalignment here:
Fixed.
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Damn, making some of the archways func_details made them leak into the void, I am going to selectively un-entitify those brushes and keep them that way, there is no need to make every single arch a func_detail of the performance boost is any less than 2 frames, which right now seems to be the case.
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Recompiling with the most recent changes and going to test uploading and pushing an update to the workshop version of the map.
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Just an idle question, but are you going to add player clips over the steps to stairs so that we don't actually have to "step up" the stairs and won't catch on the steps when we try to hop up the stairs?
I hop up a lot of stairs
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And also, add targetname to light_enviroment, please.
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Changelog Available Here: http://bit.ly/GNw6Gt
Steam Workshop Page: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...ails/?id=18371
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works fine, thanks
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look i'm sorry to have to say what's already been said but could you stop making things in your posts randomly big and with nice photoshopped titles and everything
that's unneeded, especially for a work in progress
i can understand that for the OP but come on
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Going to take a nap now, I have work in 3 hours, and I have put a couple nice changes here and there, and the map is now on workshop for the most part. (I will look into alternatives for Gmod 12 users).
Will be home to work on this project further in about 9 hours from now. See you all then.
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It stands out more than a normal post, first of all.
Second of all, since the image is already pre-cached into your browser, there is no overhead other than a half-second of image loadtime. (The image is 16kb)
And lastly, third of all, It is completely irrelevant as to whether or not the project is a work in progress or not, being what determines how you post updates in the thread; I want the posts to be big, noticable, and to have information such as links for people who cannot be bothered more than to skim over the thread, for downloads and the changelog.
Good Night Max, and goodnight (again), everyone else.
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Going to shrink the update image and keep things slightly smaller from now on, in the thread.
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The leafs can be also in diagonal, its not really necessary there but i just want give you some additional info. Anyway more info in this post (i dont know if you read it)
Changelog Available Here: http://bit.ly/GNw6Gt
Steam Workshop Page: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...ails/?id=18371
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I'll think that this new construct should be mapping contest.
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Sounds to me like SOMEBODY wants to enter...
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Just had a run around the steamworks version. Loving it so far, here's my notes:
I would get rid of this hole, and the ladder hole.
I know it's cool and it's easy access. But I feel it'd be cooler if each floor was self contained and the only access to them was via the balconies. Then you could go up there and build something without anyone knowing - then be like "come on the 4th floor".
Not a fan of this elevated walkway.
I think it would look better if it went along the ground.
You shouldn't ever see out of the skybox when you're standing on the ground..
I'd make this building hollow inside, but you can only get in there via noclip, or some really long underground tunnel.
This seems like a good place to have a big underwater tunnel to a secret area..
I still hate these light models that are everywhere
I think it'd look better with unexplained light.
I get a weird feeling that this shouldn't be joined.. maybe wall it off and have a dead end alley way between the two buildings, and have the tunnel going between them go back into the void and loop around and go into the building next door..
Maybe we could make the whiteroom super huge. As big as it can go?
I get a feeling more could be done with this tunnel. Maybe make it bigger, and make it stretch all the way down to the building at the end with the hollow inside? Maybe have it go under the map and join up with the submarine tunnel at the other end? Maybe have it come up in the lobby building at the other side too?
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I still think there should be a mirror instead of just workshop because now I can't test.
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If you want to make under water tunnels you could get problems with the water's reflection, because the there is some stuff you have to mind about vis and such. I already had such problems.
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Maybe carved in lights fits more?
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Well, kinda I feel like rebuilding the whole thing with Source 2012 quality.
But sametime i feel that i want to map 592356 maps
(Head is overloaded with ideas)
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More notes:
What about removing the windows on the sides of balcony? They look rather odd. (The black ones)
And what about removing the first level of windows here? They look really bad.
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I'm having a lot of trouble discerning if you're joking or not on a few of these because a lot of them are good, but the others seem a bit silly..
For the buildings I feel there needs to be a front door and easy floor access by default, if someone wants to block off their floor I think they can do it themselves, it just seems like better design to me if all of the buildings are easy to access.
the skybox-seeing is a valid point and should be fixed.
I think the grounding of the raised walkway is a fine suggestion, but my assumption was that it was to emulate the raised walkway in the original construct. I guess it's a matter of personal preference.
I love the idea of making the other building(s) hollow inside, but I'm not sure about secret tunnels and noclip-only areas. As I said above, I feel that it's important for the buildings to have easy access on the ground floor because if a server has noclip disabled you wouldn't be able to get inside easily. Also Secret tunnels seem a bit silly to me for a stock map. Just my opinion though
The underwater tunnel might be an interesting idea, but I agree with the notion that it would start making the map a bit too complicated, but I would accept the addition if it were added.
I agree 100% that that light model is used way too much, it should either be used less or maybe substituted for some other lighting model/source
The two joined buildings do look a bit odd, I think an alleyway would suit it fine.
I don't know if it would be necessary to make the white room VERY massive, but it would be fine probably.
And finally as for the darkroom-tunnel idea, I think that one would work as an underground tunnel since it would multitask as a secondary entrance to both the newly-hollowed building and the underwater area if they are added. I'm okay with that.
I hope the finished product is added to the beta, I like the revisions and I think it would be great as a stock map.
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There's no need to get so uppity about it. We can assume it isn't done properly by how the visleafs are created in game. I personally don't trust the in game visleafs as much as I trust the ones Hammer shows (available after compiling with VVIS once). But seeing as we can't use that, we can only assume from what the game shows.
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asdf, there was another page where you explained you fixed it. Fuck
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Yeah after he got all huffy about how it was right already.
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You would probably win, and I'd be really excited to see whatever you come up with.Maybe carved in lights fits more?
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Well, kinda I feel like rebuilding the whole thing with Source 2012 quality.
But sametime i feel that i want to map 592356 maps
(Head is overloaded with ideas)
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It isn't a roleplaying map. You don't need fast access to everywhere. It SHOULD have areas that are hard to get to without noclip. That's how gm_construct works. There were never steps to get to the hangar roof, or onto the tall buildings.
If we're gonna update it then lets update it.
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I guess I see where you're coming from there, I guess it's better for there to be areas that are hard to get to without noclip, however I don't think there should be any areas that are impossible to get to without it. Ultimate choice goes to you I guess, though, since you ARE making the game and get to choose the stock maps :P
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Really great job so far, guys!
All I wanted to suggest was maybe a few more nodes/tracks for birds. (Like flying onto skyscrapers, onto corners of buildings/balconies.)
Instead of them just sitting on the ground, flying straight up, and then falling.
And maybe trees that are a bit more alive?
To me, the old Construct is in the past, and this one is in the present, so the trees should be growing greener.
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There weren't any in the old one either.
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There was the credits room, but I don't really count that as part of the map so that's fine as an out-of-map area
unless you mean an earlier construct, I don't know about anything before gmod10
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The dark to light blending on the grass is really bad. It should be really smooth and subtle rather than quite a jarring transition, in my opinion.
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Yup, it would be much better if we could use the episode two pine trees, but unless gmod is gonna ship with those models... :(
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Would you guys accept a nice looking tree card? Because I can make a nice one.
(The things in the skybox, that don't look pretty.)
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Also, I really think the skybox needs some ground and hills in the distance, maybe akin to the flatgrass concept that was thrown around the other day
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Some mountain or tree cards in the distance to give the effect of it going on forever after the grass would work pretty nicely, like what Valve did with TF2's skyboxes.
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Also please replace the nodraw texture behind the white/color-able walls in the white/color room with a brick texture or something.
That will fix the flickering when you set the the white walls to an alpha less than 255.
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we've tried telling them to do this multiple times. And they keep refusing for no good reason. It would make the map much more robust, there is no reason not to do it.Also please replace the nodraw texture behind the white/color-able walls in the white/color room with a brick texture or something.
That will fix the flickering when you set the the white walls to an alpha less than 255.
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The map is excellently noded, when playing this map with NPCs i got a few scares from guards and fast zombies, no bugs to report so far, all seems well.
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Couple of suggestions:
Move wall to red line
Cut off the building from the block of flats and align with grass
yes I posted this before but it seems relevant again
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Lol wut?Couple of suggestions:
FALSE ALARM
My browser displayed those 2 pics as exactly the same! ¬.¬
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Probably because they're only listening to Garry at this point
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Holey Moses. One thing at a time. Going to archive a backup of the map as it is now, and start going all willy-wonka on it with the suggestions. I will post images as I go.
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Yay, I feel like a kid in a candy store! (I bet I get rated 'Dumb' for this).
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I would get rid of this hole, and the ladder hole.
I know it's cool and it's easy access. But I feel it'd be cooler if each floor was self contained and the only access to them was via the balconies. Then you could go up there and build something without anyone knowing - then be like "come on the 4th floor".Done.
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Not a fan of this elevated walkway.
I think it would look better if it went along the ground.Done.
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You shouldn't ever see out of the skybox when you're standing on the ground..
Done.
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Awww dang. I liked those holes. At least add some kind of ramp to get up to the top of the building. As people have said, not every server will have noclip enabled.
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