1. Post #721
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    Sam Za Nemesis's Avatar
    November 2007
    5,517 Posts
    It makes me really sad that the xbox/zune things are region locked, can't use them in Sweden.
    As far as it looks no one but people in the United States, it's quite dumb considering this is an international release
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  2. Post #722
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    June 2008
    6,547 Posts
    Here's something I wrote for my blog:

    I'm not having very good luck with it so far. I'm installing it in virtualbox, though it always seems to die after a bit of messing around, bringing me to the "Diagnosing your PC" start screen, spending forever trying to fix itself, then failing. I'm going to take a snapshot of the fresh install in case it happens again.

    Right now, I'm not liking what I see. This is what I expected, since it is pretty different from what I'm used to. In order for progress to happen, radical change needs to happen (e.g. the original iMac's lack of a floppy drive and serial ports, which annoyed people but was ultimately a good decision for the future).

    However... The "Computer" version of Windows 8 is too much like the metro-only tablet version. In the metro mail application for example, it has gigantic labels and a ton of padding in the interface. This would be suitable on a touch screen, though on a desktop or laptop computer, you're wasting a bunch of space that could be used on content. The metro apps all seem to have a common goal: Be friendly for users on touch screen devices. This is fine, though certain new elements of the Windows Desktop are almost tricky to access. The start button is removed and replaced with a "Hot-corner", which gives the user very little room to click on.

    To access the opened metro apps from the desktop, you need to go to the hot-corner, then move the mouse directly up within a 10 pixel strip of the screen until you go above the start icon. Then you get into the mail app and it uses 80 pixels of padding between the columns. It really feels like three isolated teams made the metro interface, the windows desktop and then glued it together into this inconsistent mess.

    In this version of the OS, I've been seeing user interface elements that work well on tablets, yet are included in the PC version. For example, I can't figure out how to shut down or restart without going through a bunch of steps (Start > username icon > sign out > drag lockscreen up > click power > shutdown). A tablet can easily sit in standby for a while, though my laptop or desktop consumes a lot more power than some low power tablet CPU. The lockscreen that goes in front of the login screen is another good example. It feels natural and intuitive on a tablet, though feels clunky when doing it with a mouse or touchpad.

    On the desktop, I love the new task manager and the ribbonization of explorer. The ribbon can hint the user how to do certain things without being too intrusive. A good example is when you're in the music library. The ribbon has coloured tabs for the library options and music-related options. The ribbon is also a bit more convenient than searching through multiple drop down menus, which are hidden until you hit the ALT key in Windows 7.

    The new task manager is easy to use in the default mode and doesn't look like it would overwhelm the less-experienced with irrelevant information if they just want to stop a frozen application. Because I'm not one of those users, I can click "More Details" and get more useful information. If I wanted to get network and disk usage from an application, I would have to use the Resource Monitor, which isn't exactly quick to access in Windows 7. The new Task Manager gives me that information in two new columns. Items in the list are highlighted depending on their usage, so spotting a resource-abusing program is a lot easier. The graphs in the performance tab are also nice-looking and useful.

    For the less-experienced user, I imagine this OS will be terrifying. If I sat someone with Windows 7 experience in front of the computer with Windows 8, they would be totally lost. There's no cue that the start or settings menus even exist. They just see what appears to be a broken task bar. The experienced power users are probably annoyed that previously-accessible settings are now buried deep into the OS. Either way, there's going to be a lot of annoyance towards Microsoft. Windows 8 may become another Vista.
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  3. Post #723
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    Jimmy422's Avatar
    March 2007
    1,737 Posts
    It's very unfortunate, but I see Windows 8 being a complete flop. In terms of usability, for the average person, it's going to be very difficult. I had my parents take a look at it and they were absolutely clueless in what to do. Unless Microsoft requires users to take a tutorial (Think Windows 3.x), I feel like people are going to hate this (That is, unless they have a tablet device. In terms of tablet computing, I think Windows excels. It's a way better platform than Android or iOS.)
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  4. Post #724
    Muracle's Avatar
    February 2012
    335 Posts
    Good god, the lag after you hit the "show desktop" area is absolutely awful. I'm sticking to Win+D.

    Also for everyone that's without a touch screen, Win+C brings up the charms bar. Very useful.

    Seriously stop giving me more hotkeys to use I have to remember these.


    I like it, using a Desktop PC.
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  5. Post #725
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    July 2007
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    Here's something I wrote for my blog:
    The dev preview did not like virtual box and that has not changed. I dont know what causes it to be total shit but it might just be the program itself shitting itself. But I do highly believe that they will get smacked in the head and will make a desktop ui so you dont instantly get thrown into metro unless it actually detects a touch screen or a flag was set at the factory to enable it. There is still time to do this if there is enough shit being thrown back at them, they will make it more user friendly.
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  6. Post #726
    sdwise's Avatar
    July 2009
    2,252 Posts
    So, I really want to do this, but I don't have my OS Disc. Any assistance?

    So what's the recommended means of installing this? Dual-boot?
    Also this. Would it be better this way?
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  7. Post #727
    SynisterSilen's Avatar
    January 2012
    389 Posts
    So what's the recommended means of installing this? Dual-boot?
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  8. Post #728
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    December 2005
    3,310 Posts
    Remember that annoying tour in Windows XP that nobody ever watched?

    I fucking need one of those now.

    After using Windows 8 for a few hours on my desktop, I find it anything but intuitive. It doesn't seem like a bad OS, all my games are running great and some of the UI changes in Explorer are improvements on 7 (though I still vastly prefer XP's Explorer). But it makes me feel like I have to jump through hoops to do anything. Getting to the control panel is a pain in the ass (I still don't get why they removed it from My Computer since XP), the shutdown process (or at least the only one I've found so far) takes effort and I haven't found any way of customising the Metro interface at all.

    It just feels like a severely dumbed down Windows, so much that it actually makes it far more difficult to use for experienced users. I don't feel like I have any control over how my desktop works.

    For a tablet, I can imagine using the Metro interface would be far better than using the traditional Windows desktop, but on a desktop PC or a laptop, frankly it sucks.

    Also my Windows folder after a fresh install is 20gb. thefuck?
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  9. Post #729
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    Demache's Avatar
    December 2009
    7,866 Posts
    Hey, Windows 8 seems to work perfectly in VMware Workstation. Probably the only way it can run faster is if it was native.

    Edited:

    I do really want to play with this on my tablet PC though.
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  10. Post #730
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    Lazor's Avatar
    July 2007
    9,254 Posts
    i'm really annoyed zune pass doesn't work with the default music marketplace
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  11. Post #731
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    March 2007
    1,737 Posts
    Remember that annoying tour in Windows XP that nobody ever watched?

    I fucking need one of those now.

    After using Windows 8 for a few hours on my desktop, I find it anything but intuitive. It doesn't seem like a bad OS, all my games are running great and some of the UI changes in Explorer are improvements on 7 (though I still vastly prefer XP's Explorer). But it makes me feel like I have to jump through hoops to do anything. Getting to the control panel is a pain in the ass (I still don't get why they removed it from My Computer since XP), the shutdown process (or at least the only one I've found so far) takes effort and I haven't found any way of customising the Metro interface at all.

    It just feels like a severely dumbed down Windows, so much that it actually makes it far more difficult to use for experienced users. I don't feel like I have any control over how my desktop works.

    For a tablet, I can imagine using the Metro interface would be far better than using the traditional Windows desktop, but on a desktop PC or a laptop, frankly it sucks.

    Also my Windows folder after a fresh install is 20gb. thefuck?
    It's definitely a change. Windows needed to be dumbed down - so many ignorant people think OSX is better because it's more "user friendly". Windows is just catching up now.

    As for it being difficult to use for experienced users - I disagree. It's something we just need to learn. After playing with this for an hour I can say I'm becoming a lot more familiar with it. If I ever want to say "fuck it" and go back to Windows 7 style applications I can go right back. Windows Media Player is still there. Internet Explorer 10 for the desktop is there. Almost every other application is there too.
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  12. Post #732
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    July 2007
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    Is chrome stable enough to be ran in 8? Firefox is just flat out shitting itself.
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  13. Post #733
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    December 2005
    3,310 Posts
    Is chrome stable enough to be ran in 8? Firefox is just flat out shitting itself.
    I'm running Chrome with no problems

    Edited:

    It's definitely a change. Windows needed to be dumbed down - so many ignorant people think OSX is better because it's more "user friendly". Windows is just catching up now.

    As for it being difficult to use for experienced users - I disagree. It's something we just need to learn. After playing with this for an hour I can say I'm becoming a lot more familiar with it. If I ever want to say "fuck it" and go back to Windows 7 style applications I can go right back. Windows Media Player is still there. Internet Explorer 10 for the desktop is there. Almost every other application is there too.
    Perhaps it needed to be dumbed down for the idiots of today, but I don't see why they couldn't include the option for the traditional start menu, and the removal of easy access to being able to shut down your computer.
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  14. Post #734
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    jordguitar's Avatar
    July 2007
    11,053 Posts
    Oh its so nice to have a actual iso mounter built into windows now.
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  15. Post #735
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    September 2009
    6,349 Posts
    I keep downloading Windows 8 from http://windows8beta.com/2012/02/down...nsumer-preview and for some reason it says the file is 3.5gb but the file only downloads 2.02gb
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  16. Post #736
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    June 2008
    6,547 Posts


    Silly Windows, you're not installed on a tablet.
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  17. Post #737
    Muracle's Avatar
    February 2012
    335 Posts
    Can you move the video app to a different screen?
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  18. Post #738
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    jordguitar's Avatar
    July 2007
    11,053 Posts
    I got 2 screens. I want the monitor that has the desktop all the time on my main monitor but I dont know how to do that. anyone fooled around with it more than me?
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  19. Post #739
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    March 2009
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    -snip-
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  20. Post #740
    I once worked at a sperm bank, the food was terrible
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    April 2011
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    So I like the speed, but I feel 8 still needs the old start menu or something similar.

    I mean I was unable to find the disk defragmenter, had to get to it via control panel, which was pretty difficult to to find (there is no visual indicator that one must put their cursor in the corner).

    There is also no excuse for the lack of a shutdown button.

    I guess MS really does believe the age of desktops and laptops are over. Cause this is so impractical for those. At least the dev preview had the start menu.

    And since they know most people don't install new OS's on their computers, they know they won't be faced with the issue of 8 sucking on desktops and laptops. Their next PC will be a tablet with a physical power button.
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  21. Post #741
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    July 2007
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    KEEP FORGETTING PROGRAMS ARE ALREADY INSTALLED ON OTHER DISKS AND NEED TO STOP INSTALLING THEM TWICE

    Edited:

    So I like the speed, but I feel 8 still needs the old start menu or something similar.

    I mean I was unable to find the disk defragmenter, had to get to it via control panel, which was pretty difficult to to find (there is no visual indicator that one must put their cursor in the corner).

    There is also no excuse for the lack of a shutdown button.

    I guess MS really does believe the age of desktops and laptops are over. Cause this is so impractical for those. At least the dev preview had the start menu.

    And since they know most people don't install new OS's on their computers, they know they won't be faced with the issue of 8 sucking on desktops and laptops. Their next PC will be a tablet with a physical power button.
    The protection is via the BIOS. Turn that off and you can wipe windows clean off without a problem and install windows 3 for all it cares.
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  22. Post #742
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    July 2007
    9,254 Posts
    people make a really big deal out of the shutdown button thing lmao
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  23. Post #743
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    November 2009
    8,977 Posts
    All we wanted was a better Windows 7... We got something that:

    A. Does not make logical sense to the standard computer user.
    B. Deliberately hides features and settings from the end user.
    C. Is hostile to any form of modding or customizing the interface, even down to the background patterns.

    I can see Windows 8 working on tablets and maybe desktops with touch panels. This is going to flop on 95% of the computers sold worldwide between launch and Windows 9. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft even takes a loss on this, all things considering.

    You have to think, corporate environments won't use Windows 8. At all. If they upgrade, they're going to Seven (because it's closest to XP). Microsoft is going to lose millions from that alone. It's going to be shunned by IT professionals in nearly every corporation, institution, and organization that uses Windows.

    If we're lucky, this will be another Vista. Another "toy OS", so to speak. Windows 7 will become another Windows XP, and we hope to Gates that they reinstate a full desktop mode in Windows 9.
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  24. Post #744
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    July 2007
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    people make a really big deal out of the shutdown button thing lmao
    i still dont know how to get to it without logging out first :(
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  25. Post #745
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    November 2009
    8,977 Posts
    i still dont know how to get to it without logging out first :(
    Pop open the charms bar using a down-swipe mouse gesture along the right side of the screen, click the cog, click settings, and then click shut down.

    And this, gentlemen, is the issue. Something that consists of two clicks in Windows 7 is now four clicks in Windows 8. That's two more clicks. Efficiency my nose.
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  26. Post #746
    What's the best VM for a not-too-powerful machine to run this on?
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  27. Post #747
    I once worked at a sperm bank, the food was terrible
    The Baconator's Avatar
    April 2011
    9,090 Posts
    Windows 8 is gonna be fantastic on tablets.

    But it needs some heavy tweaking for desktops and laptops, and it seems like that isn't going to happen.
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  28. Post #748
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    jordguitar's Avatar
    July 2007
    11,053 Posts
    What's the best VM for a not-too-powerful machine to run this on?
    none because it will run like shit
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  29. Post #749
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    November 2010
    7,935 Posts
    So I guess I just burn the files in the WindowsESD folder to a DVD and I'll have a pretty Windows disk?
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  30. Post #750
    Stuff done did
    Adnap's Avatar
    October 2011
    13,485 Posts


    Silly Windows, you're not installed on a tablet.
    Feels like that's what the os was made for

    I really hate it so far
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  31. Post #751
    none because it will run like shit
    My specs are around twice the requirements.
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  32. Post #752
    woolio1's Avatar
    November 2009
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    Feels like that's what the os was made for

    I really hate it so far
    Same here... I'm aggravated that I have to reinstall from scratch, so I'm going to deal with it for a day and then backup everything and reinstall Win7.
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  33. Post #753
    I Love Gaylo 4
    Delta616's Avatar
    April 2006
    10,075 Posts
    Keep's telling me I am unable to get a product key. when I run through setup, ISO it is I guess.
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  34. Post #754
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    July 2007
    11,053 Posts
    My specs are around twice the requirements.
    And you already got a OS running in the background. Half it then quarter it.
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  35. Post #755
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    Demache's Avatar
    December 2009
    7,866 Posts
    What's the best VM for a not-too-powerful machine to run this on?
    Please define, "not-too-powerful".
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  36. Post #756
    Muracle's Avatar
    February 2012
    335 Posts
    People who want a menu start menu sort of thing do this :

    http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...8-taskbar.html
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  37. Post #757
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    barttool's Avatar
    July 2010
    4,589 Posts
    Well, I'm on Windows 8. All I can say right now is that it's really confusing. I have to get the hang of it so I can actually make my mind.
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  38. Post #758
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    June 2008
    6,547 Posts
    In some metro apps, you can drag from the top of the screen downwards and it does something... What is it? Multitasking?
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  39. Post #759
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    November 2010
    7,935 Posts
    Removed my Ubuntu partition, removed GRUB, attempted to restore Windows 7 BCD via Command Prompt on disk, Thought it wasn't working, Apparently it worked fine

    Also my Windows 8 disk I got through that program didn't work so I'm downloading the iso now.
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  40. Post #760
    P320's Avatar
    September 2011
    957 Posts
    All we wanted was a better Windows 7... We got something that:

    A. Does not make logical sense to the standard computer user.
    B. Deliberately hides features and settings from the end user.
    C. Is hostile to any form of modding or customizing the interface, even down to the background patterns.

    I can see Windows 8 working on tablets and maybe desktops with touch panels. This is going to flop on 95% of the computers sold worldwide between launch and Windows 9. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft even takes a loss on this, all things considering.

    You have to think, corporate environments won't use Windows 8. At all. If they upgrade, they're going to Seven (because it's closest to XP). Microsoft is going to lose millions from that alone. It's going to be shunned by IT professionals in nearly every corporation, institution, and organization that uses Windows.

    If we're lucky, this will be another Vista. Another "toy OS", so to speak. Windows 7 will become another Windows XP, and we hope to Gates that they reinstate a full desktop mode in Windows 9.
    I agree with everything this man said. I'm an IT professional, and I find nothing about the new interface useful at all. It's large and clunky on desktops and laptops. It's also very annoying to customize anything in this OS.
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