[Panda X]

horsedrowner posted:

Also, when I shut down my PC, it will still show me as signed in when I sign in elsewhere.

That's so people can message you offline I believe.

[horsedrowner]

Panda X posted:

That's so people can message you offline I believe.

Windows Live Messenger has offline messaging that doesn't keep you signed in.

[Panda X]

The Baconator posted:

And that was the defending point all the Vista apologists had? "This OS isn't bad anymore!". A product's purpose is not "it doesn't suck!" it's "this product is good, look at all this stuff!".

That's completely idiotic, by that logic we should all call 95, 98, 2000, XP, and Vista shit because they weren't all that great at launch and had to be updated to make decent.

And the idea of a "Vista apologist" is completely moronic.

Edited:

horsedrowner posted:

Windows Live Messenger has offline messaging that doesn't keep you signed in.

Mobile IM programs generally keep your status as online for standby though, which is what I image that is. For example on WLM for iOS it'll keep your status as online until you change it to offline yourself.

[gparent]

Panda X posted:

That's completely idiotic, by that logic we should all call 95, 98, 2000, XP, and Vista shit because they weren't all that great at launch and had to be updated to make decent

Sure, why not? They don't meet the definition of a good product if I went by my standards as a programmer.

[Panda X]

gparent posted:

Sure, why not? They don't meet the definition of a good product if I went by my standards as a programmer.

If you apply that same logic to something else you might see how silly it is.

"Oh this car has terrible handling"
A new version of the car comes out with better handling
"Oh this is much better, I quite like this now, it's great" "Stop being an apologist, it's shit because the previous one was shit despite the fact they fixed the problem"

[Darkwater124]

horsedrowner posted:

I'm having a lot of problems with the Messaging app. More often than not, it will show me as Offline and "Connecting", while others see me online as Away. I can talk to people and receive messages like normal. Also, when I shut down my PC, it will still show me as signed in when I sign in elsewhere.

And the overall lack of options on any Metro app is really disappointing. I think it's strange I can do more on Windows Phone 7 than on Windows 8, when it comes to Metro apps that is.

Its a preview

[horsedrowner]

Darkwater124 posted:

Its a preview

I know it's a preview, but I thought the consumer preview was more or less indicative of the release, feature-wise.

[gparent]

Your analogy makes my sound logic seem silly. I don't think we disagree, but let me explain.

Let's say Honda released a car model every year that had issues for a few months with each release. Then Honda, in 2014, releases a car that is fine on launch.

Up until 2014, I think you are perfectly in your right to think that Honda cars are all shit. Sure, they might not explode when you put it in drive, but if you're having issues with EVERY new release, then clearly the manufacturing or QA process isn't refined enough. Is the 2013 model better than the 2012 model? Probably. It might make you think less about the other 2-3 things that you've had to fix in the beginning of the fiscal year, but is the 2013 car really good? Depends how big the issue, of course, but I'd be tempted to answer no.

'Shit' might be too strong of a word, but I don't think the idea that most previous versions of Windows weren't particularly great is that absurd.

[Brock Obama]

[fruxodaily]

I love the new BSOD

people find it dumb downed for people but honestly it is a major improvement from this


I'd prefer w8 BSOD, besides it seems to be a fast method of finding the issue instead of scooting through the uninteresting shit.

[Panda X]

I miss the black screen of death that appeared momentarily in some M3 builds.

[Brock Obama]

Panda X posted:

I miss the black screen of death that appeared momentarily in some M3 builds.

What's the name of that font?

[Dominik93]

Brock Obama posted:

What's the name of that font?

Probably a version of Segoe UI.

Edit:
Just tried it, it is definitely Segoe UI.

[fruxodaily]

Panda X posted:

I miss the black screen of death that appeared momentarily in some M3 builds.

Seems like an early W.I.P of the new BSOD.

[BrettJay]

GoDong-DK posted:

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but the way you express should be more refined than than this.

Let's have a look at his criticism one more time shall we?

pardon me for not accepting a less-than-stellar touch interface slapped haphazardly on a desktop OS with no regard to usability or functionality.

I think that's a refined criticism. And totally valid too.

Garry's statement applies more to vague shit like 'lol windowz sucks its got so many viruses' or 'lol apple is so overpriced its for faggotsz'. Sure he's not dressing up his words, but he isn't just making vague statements or calling the entire operating shit. I agree with woolio 100%, there is no getting around the fact that Windows 8 shoe-horns a tablet UI onto desktops, and there is unsurprisingly a lot of negative backlash because of it. It completely disregards usability principles; having to hunt around in corners for an invisible button? Do Microsoft actually employ user experience consultants?

Jimmy422 posted:

It's definitely a change. Windows needed to be dumbed down - so many ignorant people think OSX is better because it's more "user friendly". Windows is just catching up now.

As for it being difficult to use for experienced users - I disagree. It's something we just need to learn.

I know this post is a week old, but I want to respond because I want to register an issue I have with this line of argument.

First, I would be very surprised if Apple ever decided to mesh together their two operating system interfaces as clunkily as Microsoft have. With the advent of Lion and Mountain Lion, one may argue there is a degree of iOSification in later versions of OSX, but the way in which they're integrating the two is fundamentally different. Take Launchpad, a grid interface of application icons similar to the iOS Homescreen, and about as oversized and useless on desktop monitors as the Metro Start screen on Windows 8 is. The difference between the two implementations? Launchpad is a totally optional function you most likely will never use and can avoid. You start in the desktop, drop into Launchpad and back out to the desktop again once you launch an app, where it's almost the reverse on Windows 8: You start in the start screen, and drop into the Desktop to work with legacy desktop apps, but you'll eventually have to drop back into the start screen to launch something else.

My other problem with this line of argument is it's terrible user interface paradigms like what's present in Windows 8 which does make OSX more user friendly. What they've done with Windows 8 is makes things much more complicated for the average joe, and I would say OSX is easier to use than Windows 8. It's not 'catching up' to OSX's in the race towards ease-of-use, it was just disqualified (if it 'caught up' to OSX it would be easier to use than Windows 7, but it's no doubt going to be harder for the majority of users).

Jimmy422 posted:

As for it being difficult to use for experienced users - I disagree. It's something we just need to learn.

The majority of Microsoft's industry is enterprise. You go tell people in enterprise to spend time learning what is ultimately a step backwards for what they use their computers for, for no real payoff. There is absolutely no incentive to use Metro for enterprise. There is absolutely no incentive for me to use Metro at home on my desktop either, come to think of it. Point is, people who use computers for work have better things to be doing than to learn an obtuse operating system. The whole point of user-centric design and governing usability principles is to make things as intuitive for users as possible; that means natural and easy to learn; Microsoft certainly aren't doing that with some of their interface decisions, like hiding key functionality.

While these videos are totally anecdotal, I think the results are rather telling:

[Jimmy422]

BrettJay posted:

The majority of Microsoft's industry is enterprise. You go tell people in enterprise to spend time learning what is ultimately a step backwards for what they use their computers for, for no real payoff. There is absolutely no incentive to use Metro for enterprise. There is absolutely no incentive for me to use Metro at home on my desktop either, come to think of it. Point is, people who use computers for work have better things to be doing than to learn an obtuse operating system. The whole point of user-centric design and governing usability principles is to make things as intuitive for users as possible; that means natural and easy to learn; Microsoft certainly aren't doing that with some of their interface decisions, like hiding key functionality.

I have a feeling that there is going to be a group policy to go back to the traditional start menu anyways. I can't see Microsoft completely ignoring all the criticism by both users and the enterprise market over the new start menu.

[DaMastez]

Jimmy422 posted:

I have a feeling that there is going to be a group policy to go back to the traditional start menu anyways. I can't see Microsoft completely ignoring all the criticism by both users and the enterprise market over the new start menu.

Or, they could make a new start menu that implements the features of the fullscreen start menu into a much more compact and easy to use package. The current fullscreen start menu has so much wasted space with padding and such which could be made into a much smaller package similar to the current start menu, while retaining functionally.

But, I doubt Microsoft will even add back the start button, despite it clearly being needed. I guess only time will tell.

[redBadger]

fruxodaily posted:

I love the new BSOD

people find it dumb downed for people but honestly it is a major improvement from this


I'd prefer w8 BSOD, besides it seems to be a fast method of finding the issue instead of scooting through the uninteresting shit.

You should be able to hit TAB or something so you can see the BSOD stuff,

[Panda X]

redBadger posted:

You should be able to hit TAB or something so you can see the BSOD stuff,

The address params?

[latin_geek]

fruxodaily posted:

I love the new BSOD

people find it dumb downed for people but honestly it is a major improvement from this


I'd prefer w8 BSOD, besides it seems to be a fast method of finding the issue instead of scooting through the uninteresting shit.

HAL confirmed in w8

[Brock Obama]

"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid you can't do that."

[Zedicus Mann]

Brock Obama posted:

"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid you can't do that."

UNINSTALLING NON-MICROSOFT OPERATING SYSTEMS

[sdwise]

BrettJay posted:

I love how quickly he experiences the mound of shit that is safari.

[JohnFisher89]

Jimmy422 posted:

I have a feeling that there is going to be a group policy to go back to the traditional start menu anyways. I can't see Microsoft completely ignoring all the criticism by both users and the enterprise market over the new start menu.

We aren't even going to roll out windows 8 unless it has some hidden features above and beyond the GP that 7 gave. If there is a windows 7 theme or "classic" we will use that but at the moment we see no features worth the price of an upgrade. Windows 8 Server however looks pretty nice.

Edited:

Anyone try windows 8 server yet still downloading for me

[Techbot]

anyone got kies to work? I want my ics update

[Panda X]

I think I mentioned how VS11 looks awful whereas Office 15 actually looks decent, so what has Microsoft done? They made Office 15 even prettier: http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...preview-142569

[sdwise]

I formatted the drive. I got tired of how fucking jinky the OS is.
It's already tried to "repair" something that wasn't broken (I think this is common, but still) and my computer just ran a disc check where it compared my discs to my built-in factory image partition, deleted a bunch of shit, un-deleted a bunch of shit, then let me start my Windows 7 partition.
Fuck the instability, this is my only computer and I'm trying to apply for college and scholarships...

[Brock Obama]

Still on Win 8 DP. The beta's on my laptop. I honestly like DP a bit better on my desktop.

[Raijin]

Got my first BSOD today.
Scared the bejezus out of me because I was listening to this song and it froze at the drop at 0:47. Sound kept repeating the last .1 second or so from that portion then finally ":(".

[Kepler]

fruxodaily posted:

I love the new BSOD

people find it dumb downed for people but honestly it is a major improvement from this


I'd prefer w8 BSOD, besides it seems to be a fast method of finding the issue instead of scooting through the uninteresting shit.

There should be extra info like for STOP: 0x0******** and stuff.
Just in case the guide says "Fan Stopped working go do stuff" when the problem you really had was "Kernel error <detail> <Detail>" or something.

[Lazor]

pooled storage owns so hard

[Panda X]

Kepler posted:

There should be extra info like for STOP: 0x0******** and stuff.
Just in case the guide says "Fan Stopped working go do stuff" when the problem you really had was "Kernel error <detail> <Detail>" or something.

In that example it says HAL_INITIALIZATION_FAILED

HAL_INITIALIZATION_FAILED = 0x0000005C

[Ezhik]

So I noticed this thing on Microsoft's new IE9 promotional site - http://browseryoulovedtohate.com


Looks kinda neat in my opinion.

Edited:

Of course, it is not really related to Windows 8, but I like this metro-ish superbar.

[fruxodaily]

Ezhik posted:

So I noticed this thing on Microsoft's new IE9 promotional site - http://browseryoulovedtohate.com


Looks kinda neat in my opinion.

Edited:

Of course, it is not really related to Windows 8, but I like this metro-ish superbar.

that's a nicely built website, at least Microsoft was self-aware that their previous browsers sucked ass.

[1800_SCREWED]

This gon be good cant wait for the official release. Ill rub it in my mac loving teachers face and say. can your operating system, do this, download this or play this???? i didn't think so

[Ezhik]

1800_SCREWED posted:

This gon be good cant wait for the official release. Ill rub it in my mac loving teachers face and say. can your operating system, do this, download this or play this???? i didn't think so

And by doing this you'll become just like one of those crazy mac addicts. Congratulations.

[JohnFisher89]

What did they do to windows server? I like the speed but holy shit they fuck clustered it all half assed. UI wise

I like how it is incorporating alot of virtualization techniques, like being able to install $print server into a VHD instead of on the same DC

[Zedicus Mann]

1800_SCREWED posted:

This gon be good cant wait for the official release. Ill rub it in my mac loving teachers face and say. can your operating system, do this, download this or play this???? i didn't think so

And since you pretty much just use your computer to get on FP and Facebook, what's the difference?

[Panda X]

Ezhik posted:

So I noticed this thing on Microsoft's new IE9 promotional site - http://browseryoulovedtohate.com


Looks kinda neat in my opinion.

Edited:

Of course, it is not really related to Windows 8, but I like this metro-ish superbar.

Reminds me of an old theme I was working on years ago.

[Zedicus Mann]

Ezhik posted:

So I noticed this thing on Microsoft's new IE9 promotional site - http://browseryoulovedtohate.com


Looks kinda neat in my opinion.

Edited:

Of course, it is not really related to Windows 8, but I like this metro-ish superbar.

It might be cool if they actually themed the whole OS like Metro.
Click the Start Button and the taskbar would sweep across the whole screen bringing the Start Screen with it.

Edited:

Oh well, ideas for Windows 9

Edited:

Pin sites directly to your Windows 7 Taskbar – you won’t find this feature in any other browser. Get one click access to Facebook, Hulu, NY Times, Yelp and much more from your Windows 7 Taskbar- simply drag the site tab to the Taskbar to set it up. Think of it as improved bookmarks – with one click access to sites and live notifications. Learn more.

http://browseryoulovedtohate.com/learn

Brb, pinning sites to my taskbar with Chrome.