1. Post #281
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    Splarg!'s Avatar
    September 2005
    2,441 Posts
    Id happily program it if it meant removing a repeat paedophile child killer from this world.

    You know, the people who you cant rehabilitate and theres been research proving that fact.

    Some people cant be rehabilitated. To pull the wool over your own eyes and to believe everyone is capable of being fixed is a dangerous and ignorant assumption. If i was here saying we should rehabilitate all gays, you d be rating me ultra dumb ratings. Its the same with some cold blooded murderers. You cant cure people of being 'gay', you cant cure people of being 'murderers'. That is just who the person is.

    He or she will just murder again, and the lives of those victims will be on the hands of people like the majority of FP who believe the worlds a rose garden. Some people are broken from birth, and theres nothing you can do to fix them. Nobody is the same or equal.
    Killing people is a crap solution for preventing additional murders, and no, this idea that some are unfit to live from birth is a dangerous and ignorant assumption.

    It's not okay when a criminal gets a short sentence, gets out and kills again, but that doesn't mean the obvious solution is to kill the poor bastard. Killing someone to guarantee that they can't possibly commit another crime is basically admitting that our justice system sucks so bad that we actually have no clue what to do with these people. It's a blunt solution that will keep us way behind other countries in terms of dealing with criminals.

    I don't get how you guys can see the US up there on the list with those other ass backward countries and not think, "hey, maybe there are some smart folks in those other western countries who came up with a better solution." We need reform, people in this country are so messed up.

  2. Post #282
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    March 2009
    18,137 Posts
    All that does matter and ever should matter is that innocent people HAVE been killed by the death penalty. They WILL be killed again. That's always going to happen as long as people are involved, for that reason alone, I can't understand backing the death penalty.

    Though, ExplodingGuy recently said that a 1 innocent to 30 guilty people is a good enough ratio for him to be okay with it. That honestly makes me think he's a monster as much as anyone who gets the death penalty.

  3. Post #283
    The Kakistocrat's Avatar
    November 2011
    1,353 Posts
    I don't get how you guys can see the US up there on the list with those other ass backward countries and not think, "hey, maybe there are some smart folks in those other western countries who came up with a better solution." We need reform, people in this country are so messed up.
    Other Western countries? All d'ose European countries are filled with wimps. Us americans knows whats right for the peoples. And They aren't even western! They are way east of my house. Now let me watch my nascar in peace.

  4. Post #284
    MalwareOhMy!'s Avatar
    January 2012
    406 Posts
    I am sort of for and against death penalty.

    On one hand, it gets rid of bad people, but isnt keeping them behind bars their whole lives good enough?

    Its too much to for one post, save it for a midterm paper.

    Now that I think about it, is facepunch considered a source for a bibliography?

  5. Post #285
    Marddox's Avatar
    January 2012
    61 Posts
    I don't see the death sentence becoming as wide spread as it used to be, especially not while private prisons are still around.

  6. Post #286
    Bat-shit's Avatar
    October 2010
    13,373 Posts
    Despite its on-off status, people still get themselves locked up for lives on end.

  7. Post #287
    ThisGuy0's Avatar
    July 2009
    2,119 Posts
    The right to life is the most basic human right, and the application of any other right is dependent on it. By executing someone, the government is entirely retracting their human rights, which is pretty much a statement that they are not considered human. I don't know about you, but I find the idea of the government being able to qualify who legally is and isn't a human being to be a pretty scary thought.

  8. Post #288
    Bat-shit's Avatar
    October 2010
    13,373 Posts
    No one's talking about who's human or not human, we're all human, and sometimes humans do things that make them worthy of death.

    You could say "The right to life in prison is the most basic human right when a human does something purely inhuman."

  9. Post #289
    TheDamnWizards!'s Avatar
    November 2011
    1,369 Posts
    against it, no reason to keep the death penalty, as there is always a small, but slim chance you could rehabilitate them

  10. Post #290
    SNAAAAAAAKE's Avatar
    December 2010
    197 Posts
    I'm for it. There's no reason to keep someone alive who otherwise would spend the rest of their life in prison, and they don't deserve a second chance at life, they sure didn't offer their victim the same luxury.

  11. Post #291
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    November 2007
    2,488 Posts
    I'm for it. There's no reason to keep someone alive who otherwise would spend the rest of their life in prison, and they don't deserve a second chance at life, they sure didn't offer their victim the same luxury.
    I agree for the most part. I'm for capital punishment only as a last resort. Like if some fuckhead feels no remorse for brutally murdering a bunch of people, he doesn't deserve a cozy life sentence.

  12. Post #292
    The Kakistocrat's Avatar
    November 2011
    1,353 Posts
    No one's talking about who's human or not human, we're all human, and sometimes humans do things that make them worthy of death.

    You could say "The right to life in prison is the most basic human right when a human does something purely inhuman."
    no, his statement is valid. He (and I) believe that humans have a basic right to live, and that governments cannot take away our basic rights.

  13. Post #293
    Ginger gizzard amateur~
    Dennab
    July 2011
    5,135 Posts
    Read this book.

    While I do not certify this will change your view on the topic, it's still a nice reading, which changed the mentality of a whole nation.

  14. Post #294
    Bat-shit's Avatar
    October 2010
    13,373 Posts
    no, his statement is valid. He (and I) believe that humans have a basic right to live, and that governments cannot take away our basic rights.
    Yes, so, A right to life in prison is the most basic human right when a human does something purely inhuman.

  15. Post #295

    December 2011
    606 Posts
    "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends."
    -J.R.R. Tolkien

    This. Give prisoners chance to work for extremely little pay, so they can buy cigarettes or some kind of book or something, so they "pay" they're own upkeep, and thus wont cost anything. Having something to do would also help people to rehabilitate, or atleast keep them sane, instead of sitting in a box 24 hours a day.

  16. Post #296
    Mr Kodiak's Avatar
    January 2012
    57 Posts
    Hypothetically, a man stands guilty of murder, the circumstances and evidence are 100% accurate (Although unrealistic, for the purposes of this scenario it is), I submit that this man should be put to death within the hour by public hanging. The costs are irrelevant, from a purely moral
    standpoint, is this man's death warranted/acceptable?

  17. Post #297
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    Dennab
    September 2007
    17,086 Posts
    "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends."
    -J.R.R. Tolkien

    This. Give prisoners chance to work for extremely little pay, so they can buy cigarettes or some kind of book or something, so they "pay" they're own upkeep, and thus wont cost anything. Having something to do would also help people to rehabilitate, or atleast keep them sane, instead of sitting in a box 24 hours a day.
    prisoners already do sub-minimum wage work for candy and other "luxury" goods, they already have something to do, but it isn't productive.
    productive meaning for their mental stability, the work they do is technically productive

  18. Post #298
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    September 2008
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    Hypothetically, a man stands guilty of murder, the circumstances and evidence are 100% accurate (Although unrealistic, for the purposes of this scenario it is), I submit that this man should be put to death within the hour by public hanging. The costs are irrelevant, from a purely moral
    standpoint, is this man's death warranted/acceptable?
    No, certainly not in that kind of condition. The death penalty in and of itself is barbaric, but a public hanging just takes that barbarism and runs with it even further.

  19. Post #299

    January 2012
    8 Posts
    In most cases the death sentence is a little to harsh, for instance if you break a window you don't deserve to die :D but on a serious note, if you take a life and you were planning it then your life deserves to be taken. Yes yes I know it might be harsh but it is a punishment decided on your actions, for which you are completely responsible for.

  20. Post #300
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    March 2011
    4,991 Posts
    In most cases the death sentence is a little to harsh, for instance if you break a window you don't deserve to die :D but on a serious note, if you take a life and you were planning it then your life deserves to be taken. Yes yes I know it might be harsh but it is a punishment decided on your actions, for which you are completely responsible for.
    That ignores what it solves though. What does killing the murderer solve? It's been proven to cost more money in the long run, and acts purely as revenge.

  21. Post #301

    January 2012
    8 Posts
    That ignores what it solves though. What does killing the murderer solve? It's been proven to cost more money in the long run, and acts purely as revenge.
    Very true, I didn't think about that.

  22. Post #302
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    Crimor's Avatar
    June 2008
    11,014 Posts
    I say if there's 100% fucking proof, take him out the back and shoot him, don't let him waste money.
    But if there's even the tiniest shed of doubt, life in prison.

  23. Post #303
    Burgervich's Avatar
    July 2011
    2,355 Posts
    I believe it is right to have a sentence like this.
    If you take another person's life you don't deserve yours. And I would not trust any murder that is let back out on the streets. They will do it again.

  24. Post #304
    LSD
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    March 2011
    20 Posts
    People get executed for harming society, killing, raping, stealing - whatever the crime, all comes down to one simple thing: Money.

    When someone breaks the law, society spends money to correct the action. Incarceration is a typical reaction set in motion by society when someone breaks the law, and incarcerating people costs money. Keeping them there, getting them there, and of course arresting them in the first place.

    If it's all down to money (which it most definitely is, and have always been), then why the fuck don't we just kill every old man and woman, every handicapped, physically and mentally challenged person out there? Many of them are, money-wise, of absolute no worth to society as we know it!

    But still, we don't. We keep them alive, at least most of them, for as long as possible - hoping that they, like more fortunate healthy people, may also live a prosperous life. But the main reason we keep them alive in contrary to killing them, is because killing people is wrong.

    In this pointless syfilis infected idiotic place, we must at least manage to accept that one simple thing - that taking other peoples lives, is wrong. No matter what!

    TL;DR: Death sentence is wrong, anyone who thinks otherwise is a complete and utter moron.

    PS: Harder, tougher methods of punishment results in nothing else but tougher and harder crimes.

  25. Post #305
    Gekkosan's Avatar
    October 2010
    5,668 Posts
    LSD posted:
    We must at least manage to accept that one simple thing - that taking other peoples lives, is wrong. No matter what!
    Only when our juries group hug the first-third degree rapist/killer/torturers and drug/other business crime gang bangers, and offer them just benefits and encouragement over the crime, and settle them nicely in a "prison" to think over all the choices they got just waiting outside their "locked door" as soon as they feel ready for it after done socializing/chilling down the with other fellow lost-souls. Not until then the rate of lives wrongly taken each day or a year will start to dramatically lower.

    Or something like that.

  26. Post #306
    LSD
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    March 2011
    20 Posts
    I do indeed realize that we will continue to slaughter, burn and torture eachother for at least, at least, a thousand more years. But that's what it will take.

  27. Post #307
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    February 2008
    6 Posts
    I'm probably going to get a crap ton of hate mail and what not, but what the hell. I'm for it. True Gandhi is a very wise man and his quote is true. The idea of justice is well insulting. Justice is the manipulation in believing on a wrong doing to someone who has wronged you is "fair" or just. People are human, but when you violate the so called human rights you forfeit those rights your self that is what I believe. That being stated a murderer, rapist, child molester, etc. forfeited his or her basic rights. But I believe given the extremities if a person fails to become part of society after a said prison sentence. The person should be "put down". Don't confuse a petty crime with what I'm stating. Genocide, serial killing, etc. those people become a danger to society and therefore should be removed from society. Not to a mamby pamby land prison but terminated. Why? Because the said person has shown they are incapable of coexisting with his or her fellow human beings. Now whether or not you state that person is a human being, I'll give you something to thing about. If we caught Hitler should we execute him? If Stalin's death camps been exposed, and Stalin been tried. Should Stalin be executed? Current day terrorist who video tape themselves horrifically killing US soldiers, then sending the tape to the soldier's family be executed? Understandably, there is a lot of "emotion" but putting emotion aside have these individuals shown no respect for human life be given a second chance? Not to mention they do not wish to coexist with their fellow human beings... I'm just saying.

  28. Post #308
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    June 2011
    2,339 Posts
    I think the death penalty should exist. If it can be 100% proven that someone has murdered another person, they do not deserve to live. This law would reduce murder rates since criminals themselves would be more hesitant to kill, compared to just killing someone then spending the rest of their life relaxing in jail with free meals and entertainment. Not to mention that killing any murderers would prevent them from committing the same crime again after being released.

    And of course, I think the death penalty should be used exclusively for murders, and not used for manslaughter or anything else.

    Edited:

    I also think that the death penalty should only be done with lethal injection, or something that is quick and painless. While murderers deserve to die, I don't think anybody deserves to be tortured.

  29. Post #309
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    Splarg!'s Avatar
    September 2005
    2,441 Posts
    If you're going to bump the thread, come up with something new man. You can't just say flat out that someone doesn't deserve to live. And as for the thing about crime rates:

    A recent study published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology reported that 88% of the country’s top criminologists surveyed do not believe the death penalty acts as a deterrent to homicide. Eighty-seven percent of them think that the abolition of the death penalty would not have a significant effect on murder rates and 77% believe that “debates about the death penalty distract Congress and state legislatures from focusing on real solutions to crime problems.”

  30. Post #310
    zacht_180's Avatar
    May 2010
    703 Posts
    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

    I'm for it too. I support capital punishment, but here's the thing - not at its current state. It needs a lot of modifications before I think it can truly be just. The system is too loose and we need to be more strict and more careful.

    It's really not the method or anything that gets me, it's just the way the court works. And since methods have been discussed, I believe no man should suffer, no matter what they have done. There's no reason to give them minutes of excrutiating hell before their death. It's not about making them suffer, it's about just killing them. The electric chair is not by any means painless and in my opinion it has to be one of the worst ways to go. Lethal injection is a very good idea, but it's also a new technique, and often it is done wrong and the person receiving the injection will go into cardiac arrest or have seizures before falling asleep. Hanging (although it may seem a bit out-dated) is actually a very humane way to die - no pain. If done correctly, that's of course. According to studies, death by firing squad isn't that bad either which is actually surprising.

    If I had to choose I'd go with the firing squad. No better way than to go out with a boom and take four bullets to the chest like a man and then have a decent death.


    "HumanAbyss' posted:
    All that does matter and ever should matter is that innocent people HAVE been killed by the death penalty. They WILL be killed again. That's always going to happen as long as people are involved, for that reason alone, I can't understand backing the death penalty.
    I agree with you. This you may not agree with though, but capital punishment is not a bad thing or idea, but it is when the system is semi-corrupt. It's like socialism - sounds good but it doesn't work out too well most of the time. This is one reason why I think the whole capital punishment system needs to be reformed. We need to do everything possible to make sure that what we're doing is right. Under the current setup it's pretty hard to be positive that we're making the correct decision.

    In every war there's going to be innocent civilians to die - it's just a fact. War is bad and it should be avoided, but sometimes it is necessary; whether people like it or not they have to agree with that. The death penalty can be considered necessary and sometimes and unfortunately the wrong people get caught up in between it. Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means trying to "justify" the deaths of those who have been wrongly accused. Just trying to make a comparison.


    Oh and I don't think a single homicide charge is enough for the death penalty. You have to do something REALLY fucked up.

  31. Post #311
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    Electroholic's Avatar
    June 2011
    2,339 Posts
    If you're going to bump the thread, come up with something new man. You can't just say flat out that someone doesn't deserve to live. And as for the thing about crime rates:
    Whats wrong with bumping a thread? Why do I need a reason?


    Someone doesn't deserve to live after murdering someone because they chose to end someones life without the victims control, so they should go through the same process of having their life put in someone else's hands.

  32. Post #312
    MEGA SENPAI KAWAII UGUU~~ =^_^=
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    September 2008
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    You're aware that the things you're saying "they don't deserve to live" and "it deters crime" have already been refuted in this thread, right? More specifically the fact that countries without the death penalty and that use rehabilitative systems (Ex: Norway) have far lower recidivism rates than the United States or even Canada for that matter, and that the notion of 'they don't deserve to live' is really unarguable from an objective standpoint.

  33. Post #313
    CatFodder's Avatar
    August 2010
    1,028 Posts
    Whats wrong with bumping a thread? Why do I need a reason?


    Someone doesn't deserve to live after murdering someone because they chose to end someones life without the victims control, so they should go through the same process of having their life put in someone else's hands.
    That's revenge, not justice.

  34. Post #314
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    July 2010
    2,799 Posts
    I think ending the life of another human being is tantamount to murder, regardless of what role is playing in the events leading up to ending the life of that human being.

    If you take a knife to someone's throat while they sleep, or sign the papers to allow a lethal injection, you're still taking part in a murder.

    While I don't have the answers that will solve the prison population problems and the economical strain on the economy, I do believe that ending the lives of the offenders is an immoral way to go about things.*

    [tab]* Subject to change of opinion based on future events[/tab]

  35. Post #315
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    Eltro102's Avatar
    February 2008
    11,182 Posts
    A life sentence is considerably worse than the death sentence, I think it should be the prisoners choice weather to be executed or waste away behind bars for the rest of their lives

  36. Post #316
    Mr Shadyface's Avatar
    July 2010
    4,404 Posts
    Two words.


    Live death-matches

    oh, three words.

  37. Post #317
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    Electroholic's Avatar
    June 2011
    2,339 Posts
    This article seems relevant to this thread:

    Wrong man was executed in Texas, probe says

  38. Post #318
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    Lonestriper's Avatar
    September 2008
    5,786 Posts
    Oh look, the infallibility of the justice system implied by the death sentence turns out to be false! Good heavens

  39. Post #319
    Neolk's Avatar
    November 2007
    1,047 Posts
    Anders Behring Breivik should be given the death penalty. I do not think it is barbaric to call for the termination of a crazed fanatic who was responsible for the deaths of 50+ children.

  40. Post #320
    MEGA SENPAI KAWAII UGUU~~ =^_^=
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    September 2008
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    Anders Behring Breivik should be given the death penalty. I do not think it is barbaric to call for the termination of a crazed fanatic who was responsible for the deaths of 50+ children.
    Perhaps you don't think it is, but I think the Norwegian justice system, along with the many others that have removed the death penalty as a sentencing option would disagree with you.