[Zillamaster55]

W0w00t posted:

Japan: We have 500 more men than you but we'll still lose the battle because we love to throw them into MG and rifle fire

Actually: That didn't happen as much as you thought...

Actually Again: If you looked at the defense put up on the Islands (the ones that killed about 15,000 Americans in a week) they didn't just sit on the beach shouting, "Have at thee!" and waving their Bayonets around, they set up bunkers (in a jiffy, faster than the Germans) and mowed down Marines by the hundreds. And Hideki Tojo hated it when they had Banzai Charges, disregarding the whole "Honorable Death" n' schtuff.

And the main reason I wanted to research Japan is because I was going to be the only one in the class, everyone else was doing Italy, Germany, the US or Russia

[rossmum]

That's because of a handful of officers who actually had an iota of sense figured digging in would be their best bet (see: Iwo Jima). The vast majority were so wrapped up in irrelevant tradition that they would happy lose all their men just to satisfy their warped perspective of a good fight, and were pretty overtly opposed to innovation.

[Dragon Master]

Jim_Riley posted:

I'll honour the allies... and the soldiers that fought for freedom!

[Taggart]

Dragon Master posted:

I'll honour the allies... and the soldiers that fought for freedom!

so you'll be a bigot

good plan

[Dragon Master]

Taggart posted:

so you'll be a bigot

good plan

No, I'll just support the men who fought against fascism and evil.

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Zillamaster55 posted:

And the main reason I wanted to research Japan is because I was going to be the only one in the class, everyone else was doing "Italy, Germany, the US or Russia"

what about Britain?

During WW2, Britain had the Chindits, The Royal Commandos, The SAS, The Desert Rats and the Commonwealth forces. we invented Radar and Sonar. if you did a project on Britain it would be interesting

George Cairns was a member of the Chindits, tough-as-nails soldiers who were dropped behind Japanese lines in the mountains and jungles of Burma during WW II. In March 1944, the Chindits started Operation Thursday, a mission that involved sending gliders into the distant jungle and having their pilots quickly construct full-size landing strips so backups could land. In theory, this strategy would put the men well beyond the reach of the enemy while they constructed the means to bring in reinforcements. In practice, as the Chindits found out firsthand, it was more like holding off attacks from every side while simultaneously designing and building a goddamn airport.

See, when the Chindits flew in, the Japanese already had control of a hill near one of the landing strips called Henu Block, which they used to stage brutal assaults on the men. Cairns and his troop radioed headquarters and complained about the difficulties of practicing architecture while dodging machine-gun fire. Headquarters responded with an elegant solution: Just go up there and kill all of them, then shut up and get back to work. The Chindits were ordered to go and capture the hill back from the Japanese. And so they did. Much of the fighting was brutal, hand-to-hand combat, the British armed with bayonets and the Japanese with Katana-style blades. In the melee, a Japanese soldier hacked off Cairns' left arm.

The Rampage

After watching his own arm get lopped off, Cairns managed to kill the Japanese officer, retrieve the man's sword with his one remaining arm and, sustained solely by his righteous anger (and possibly a shitload of shock), storm right back up that goddamn hill to deal with that son of a bitch's friends. As Cairns advanced in front of the rest of the Chindits, still swinging that Katana at anything that moved, he killed and wounded several Japanese soldiers. He kept right on chopping until the blood loss from the hemorrhaging stump got the better of him and he collapsed and died.

The only reason he stopped killing ... was because he ran out of blood.

This was quoted from: http://www.cracked.com/article_18810...story-war.html

[Taggart]

Dragon Master posted:

No, I'll just support the men who fought against fascism and evil.

so the soldiers that fought for their countries (the Wehrmacht and the Imperial Army of the Japanese) don't deserve respect?

[Dragon Master]

Taggart posted:

so the soldiers that fought for their countries (the Wehrmacht and the Imperial Army of the Japanese) don't deserve respect?

You know that the Wehrmacht and Imperial Army didn't look after allied pow's, you also know what they were fighting for. The Jap Army is imfamously known for it's brutality to prisoners. The wehrmacht are imfamous for doing hitler's dirty work, when the SS weren't available.

[Scar]

Dragon Master posted:

We good, they evil.

Summed your post up.

Arsehole

[Kartoffel]

Taggart posted:

so the soldiers that fought for their countries (the Wehrmacht and the Imperial Army of the Japanese) don't deserve respect?

Soldiers deserve respect, no matter which country you're from. It is the people like Adolf Hitler that you should not respect.

[Jim_Riley]

Dragon Master posted:

You know that the Wehrmacht and Imperial Army didn't look after allied pow's, you also know what they were fighting for. The Jap Army is imfamously known for it's brutality to prisoners. The wehrmacht are imfamous for doing hitler's dirty work, when the SS weren't available.

Very vague generalization there. The Wehrmacht usually didn't condone the activities of the SS. You have to remember that many generals or superiors in the Wehrmacht were most likely veterans of WWI and held "old school" views on the expectations of a soldier. You know, honor the Fatherland, Duty to your people etc.

Serving directly to the Fuhrer is not exactly part of their agenda and the ruthless, cold heartedness mentality of the SS is not the typical German soldier. But that doesn't mean the Wehrmacht DIDN'T commit their own atrocities. I know on the Eastern Front, for example, Wehrmacht units committed their own kind of massacres. In some cases, these were done out of retaliation for their own troops being massacred.


Figures this thread is revived over controversy.

[Kartoffel]

Dragon Master posted:

You know that the Wehrmacht and Imperial Army didn't look after allied pow's, you also know what they were fighting for. The Jap Army is imfamously known for it's brutality to prisoners. The wehrmacht are imfamous for doing hitler's dirty work, when the SS weren't available.

In WWII, there is an instance where American USAAF pilots, who were shot down and put in a death camp, managed to survive because they managed to appeal to a Luftwaffe officer, who put them in a better place to stay. In this place, they were well fed, and treated for any injuries and/or sickness with great hospitality. Not all Germans during WWII were cruel.

The full story is here, and was also featured on the History Channel.

[IceBlizzerd]

Dragon Master posted:

You know that the Wehrmacht and Imperial Army didn't look after allied pow's, you also know what they were fighting for. The Jap Army is imfamously known for it's brutality to prisoners. The wehrmacht are imfamous for doing hitler's dirty work, when the SS weren't available.

Culture from japan and culture form american clashed in ww2, the Imperial army was trained death before dishonor and thought of this applied to the american soldiers. They saw surrendering troops as Dishonored trash and believed they were cowards. Its horrible what they did to american P.O.W's but its what they learned for years.

[rossmum]

Dragon Master posted:

You know that the Wehrmacht and Imperial Army didn't look after allied pow's, you also know what they were fighting for. The Jap Army is imfamously known for it's brutality to prisoners. The wehrmacht are imfamous for doing hitler's dirty work, when the SS weren't available.

You're a fucking retard. Most Western Allied POWs were looked after at least tolerably by the Wehrmacht (granted not at all by the Japanese, and Eastern Allied prisoners by the Germans). Either way, you're a fucking jerkoff for assuming every single one of them was some Jew-gassing, baby-eating monster.

For the record, one of my grandfathers landed at Juno and the other fought along Kokoda, and we had family only just survive Auschwitz. It doesn't mean I can be a fuckhead like you and assume every single Axis soldier was evil. Shut your shit mouth and educate yourself before you open it again.

[Bubz]

My great grandfather was forced to join the Axis. And I strongly believe from what my people say - he fucking hated it;
I don't think my great grandfather was an evil Jew-gassing, baby-eating monster, he was only a man with 2 choices.
He picked the best choice and ended up dieing from it. Luckily he had my grandfather before he was sent. Oh boy I'm here.
It's like that, I could not be here right now if he hadn't rubbed off on my great grandma.
And I talk about him like this because I didn't know him, sometimes I wish I did.

I forgot the emote for sadface.

[W0w00t]

I got me a great uncle that has some silver stars from Iwo Jima or Guadalcanal
think its guadalcanal.
Sadly, he's dead, so I can't really ask him about it.

[Zillamaster55]

IceBlizzerd posted:

Culture from japan and culture form american clashed in ww2, the Imperial army was trained death before dishonor and thought of this applied to the american soldiers. They saw surrendering troops as Dishonored trash and believed they were cowards. Its horrible what they did to american P.O.W's but its what they learned for years.

We americans looked to the Japanese as animals. Animals, not people. So you really made a good point. They have a culture, we have a culture, we're at war, whaddya gonna do.

[pivotmaster]

Sexiest DoD poses evar.

[Pogostick]

I absolutely MUST know what level adjustments you made to these - I've been trying to get that effect for fucking AGES.

[Araknid]

The brit in the last pic looks like such a badass.