1. Post #121
    imasillypiggys's Avatar
    September 2010
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    Yeah because what he said was so deep and thoughtful.
    Why don't you just move to some other county, have half your income taken away and then tell me how terrible it is.
    I didnt know I was so rich that half of my income would be taken

  2. Post #122
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    Yeah because what he said was so deep and thoughtful.
    Why don't you just move to some other county, have half your income taken away and then tell me how terrible it is.
    You mean like Sweden, the country with a higher standard of living than the US? :ohdear:

    Edited:

    Its not a terrible system, but it needs laws and regulations to keep it going smoothly. Communism is a horrible system because I can do a half assed job and get the same pay as the guy working next to me.(Just actually saying what you said but with an actual point.)

    Both systems have negatives and positives and this is where compromise is important. You can't have a pure system, the perfect system would be a mix of every modern system. Socialism, Communism and Capitalism into one.
    Economics is a better place to compromise in.

  3. Post #123
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    You mean like Sweden, the country with a higher standard of living than the US? :ohdear:
    I've been thinking of moving to Germany....go on a little search for my Mother's side of the family. Only problem is that I need to learn German

  4. Post #124
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    September 2010
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    You should vote Libertarian then, not like Rand Paul/Tea Party Libertarian, but actual Libertarian.

    And I try to agree with Capitalism, but survival-of-the-fittest is only fair if people have an equal start.
    Capitalism would be awesome if everyone got an equal start, also i would agree that you like the capitalism of republicans but the non super christian of the dems libertarian would be your best bet

  5. Post #125
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    a terrible one too
    Haha oh wow.. this is coming from the guy named Trotsky.
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  6. Post #126
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    June 2010
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    I didnt know I was so rich that half of my income would be taken
    Your basic necessities would cost a lot more and those socialized programs will contribute to that and hike your taxes up big time.
    This is why I say you can't really say one is vastly superior to another because you're either making more money but paying for things like healthcare or you're making less money and getting it free.

    It's more personal preference than anything. Either way, you're still paying for them.

  7. Post #127
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    July 2010
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    Yeah because what he said was so deep and thoughtful.
    Why don't you just move to some other county, have half your income taken away and then tell me how terrible it is.
    I live in Canada. To have my income tax rates at 50% I'd need to make over...

    oh wait there is no 50% tax bracket
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  8. Post #128
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    You basic necessities would cost a lot more and those socialized programs will contribute to that and hike your taxes up big time.
    This is why I say you can't really say one is vastly superior to another because you're either making more money but paying for things like healthcare or you're making less money and getting it free.

    It's more personal preference than anything. Either way, you're still paying for them.
    But one is working better than the other. :colbert:

  9. Post #129
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    September 2010
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    Haha oh wow.. this is coming from the guy named Trotsky.
    If Politics worked like how you debate then America would have fallen a long time ago

  10. Post #130
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    I live in Canada. To have my income tax rates at 50% I'd need to make over...

    oh wait there is no 50% tax bracket
    No there's not but then again, if you read my above post, it's not that simple.

  11. Post #131
    Dennab
    June 2010
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    a terrible one too
    To be honest, on a personal level it is, but when it comes to advancements and stuff it's great. Corporations have a reason to find cures and shit if they can crush their competition with them

  12. Post #132
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    To be honest, on a personal level it is, but when it comes to advancements and stuff it's great. Corporations have a reason to find cures and shit if they can crush their competition with them
    not really
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  13. Post #133
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    people keep saying that, but government funded things (military RnD) have no problems with innovation

  14. Post #134
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    To be honest, on a personal level it is, but when it comes to advancements and stuff it's great. Corporations have a reason to find cures and shit if they can crush their competition with them
    But they can also charge you ridiculously for them and control the amount of innovation leaked into the public in order to maximize profit.

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    people keep saying that, but government funded things (military RnD) have no problems with innovation
    That's true too, DARPA is the shit.

  15. Post #135
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    people keep saying that, but government funded things (military RnD) have no problems with innovation
    You do know that multiple companies compete with different schematics...right?

  16. Post #136
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    September 2010
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    To be honest, on a personal level it is, but when it comes to advancements and stuff it's great. Corporations have a reason to find cures and shit if they can crush their competition with them
    it also gives them reasons to stop advancement and not do anything about environmental change when it effects there money, also most good inventures and scientists do it for the good of helping
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  17. Post #137
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    But they can also charge you ridiculously for them and control the amount of innovation leaked into the public in order to maximize profit.
    *cough*Apple*cough*
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  18. Post #138
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    July 2010
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    No there's not but then again, if you read my above post, it's not that simple.
    Yeah, it's pretty simple. One system has been proven to work, the other has been proven to just barely hang on to the edge.

  19. Post #139
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    Private research is kept under lock and key because if it leaked to the competition, there would be no point in doing the research. This leads to the same research being done multiple times needlessly due to corporate politics.

    Public research is published and everyone is allowed to access it. Everyone benefits and if you do not use the research, your competition will and you will fall behind.

    Yep.
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  20. Post #140
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    If Politics worked like how you debate then America would have fallen a long time ago
    What are you saying half the time.

    I get the general gist of what you are saying but really everything you say is so cryptic.

    Am I alone here?

  21. Post #141
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    Republicans bitched about medicaid.
    Republicans bitched about social security.

    Now they are bitching about Healthcare over the smallest whims. They are trying undo everything the Democrats worked for, rather than just refine the rough parts of Healthcare with some good legislation.
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  22. Post #142
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    What are you saying half the time.

    I get the general gist of what you are saying but really everything you say is so cryptic.

    Am I alone here?
    There's a medic behind you...but he was never on your side.

  23. Post #143
    Dennab
    June 2010
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    not really
    my argument has been crushed with your reasons

  24. Post #144
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    October 2009
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    my argument has been crushed with your reasons
    Humanity naturally progresses. The idea that people need money to invent/cure shit/ do whatever else is silly.
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  25. Post #145
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    September 2010
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    What are you saying half the time.

    I get the general gist of what you are saying but really everything you say is so cryptic.

    Am I alone here?
    Im saying make a real point instead of going lol your name is blank so your argument sucks

    Edited:

    Humanity naturally progresses. The idea that people need money to invent/cure shit/ do whatever else is silly.
    Tesla had his life ruined because he spent it trying to help humanity and yet he wasnt angry about it, same with the guy that first thought about washing your hands. so I agree money does not make a great man want to do great things

  26. Post #146
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    Humanity naturally progresses. The idea that people need money to invent/cure shit/ do whatever else is silly.
    It can be slowed down without the free market or competition.

    Look at the dark ages.

    Edited:

    Im saying make a real point instead of going lol your name is blank so your argument sucks
    I don't think you know who Trotsky was. Inb4 you google it and pretend you did.

    Edited:

    There's a medic behind you...but he was never on your side.
    What

  27. Post #147
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    September 2010
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    It can be slowed down without the free market or competition.

    Look at the dark ages.
    the dark ages sucked because christians took complete control of the land

    Edited:


    I don't think you know who Trotsky was. Inb4 you google it and pretend you did.
    my point still stands.
    also dont be a bastard about it

  28. Post #148
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    It can be slowed down without the free market or competition.

    Look at the dark ages.
    That wasn't just the collapse of the free market, that was the collapse of the largest civilization at the time and the loss of hundreds of years worth of data.

  29. Post #149
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    That wasn't just the collapse of the free market, that was the collapse of the largest civilization at the time and the loss of hundreds of years worth of data.
    Because they let their own economic system collapse in on itself.

  30. Post #150
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    March 2008
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    Republicans bitched about medicaid.
    Republicans bitched about social security.

    Now they are bitching about Healthcare over the smallest whims. They are trying undo everything the Democrats worked for, rather than just refine the rough parts of Healthcare with some good legislation.
    Social Security and Medicaid should be done away with/reduced in scope, preferably before the baby boom generation is mostly over 65, otherwise the country will go into dept like never seen before having grave effects on our country overall.

    Edited:

    medicare is already having problems.

  31. Post #151
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    September 2010
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    Social Security and Medicaid should be done away with/reduced in scope, preferably before the baby boom generation is mostly over 65, otherwise the country will go into dept like never seen before having grave effects on our country overall.

    Edited:

    medicare is already having problems.
    why not you know, take some of the money out of war and use it to help people

  32. Post #152
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    October 2009
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    That wasn't just the collapse of the free market, that was the collapse of the largest civilization at the time and the loss of hundreds of years worth of data.
    also there was that whole bubonic plague dealio

    Edited:

    but then again the dark ages just refers to what was happening in europe at the time. everyone else could have been thriving for all you know.

  33. Post #153
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    Because they let their own economic system collapse in on itself.
    The fall of the Romans is attributed to a number of things.

  34. Post #154
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    March 2008
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    why not you know, take some of the money out of war and use it to help people
    It's not that simple. I agree military budget should be scaled back before we have to deal with this but even if we cut it in half once the largest part of the baby boom generation hits 65 if we haven't changed anything by then it will show all the faults in the social security/medicare systems, bring the country huge amounts of dept and the systems will collapse, which would be much worse than scaling them back severely sometime in the next 10 years.

    Edited:

    also there was that whole bubonic plague dealio

    Edited:

    but then again the dark ages just refers to what was happening in europe at the time. everyone else could have been thriving for all you know.
    Everyone else was thriving. The Islam Empire was the center for innovation and business, China was the worlds number 1 producer and they both were trading with each other.

  35. Post #155
    "We should allow child labor overseas ...the sweatshop is what is saving the 9 year old worker"
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    I dislike the core of both parties. I am more afraid of hardcore liberals than the extreme hardcore conservatives, simply because the extreme left tends to act on their beliefs more. Not talking about politicians here, but more groups of people.
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  36. Post #156
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    February 2009
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    Capitalism is a type of ECONOMIC structure you idiot. I swear half the posts in this thread are so biased and ridiculous I don't know if they're just being dramatic or really just don't have a clue.
    Woah woah woah

    Some people seem to have misunderstood my post. I was bashing the fact he says that the conservatives are a good choice because all they're doing is fighting for capitalism, which that isn't the truth.

  37. Post #157
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    May 2010
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    I dislike the core of both parties. I am more afraid of hardcore liberals than the extreme hardcore conservatives, simply because the extreme left tends to act on their beliefs more. Not talking about politicians here, but more groups of people.
    like what? the hardcore conservatives are the ones that murder doctors, blow up government buildings, etc.

  38. Post #158
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    March 2010
    5,193 Posts
    The notion that people actually believe the Democrats are somehow flawless shows how uneducated the majority of you are.

    Neither party is better than the other. No one is ever right, get over it.
    If you've read the posts in the thread, they're choosing that "lesser evil" of the two parties.

  39. Post #159
    Starpluck? More like StarFUCK!!
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    September 2008
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    Haha oh wow.. this is coming from the guy named Trotsky.
    Can you do anything other than resorting to weak fallacious Ad Hominen attacks? I don't care if his name was "Zionism4Lyfe" or "I like Hitler", his point still stands and you lack the common knowledge to debate.
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  40. Post #160
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    like what? the hardcore conservatives are the ones that murder doctors, blow up government buildings, etc.
    Lol implying hardcore liberals haven't blown up buildings

    Democrats, meanwhile, said the losses they suffered in the congressional elections reflected voter dissatisfaction with lingering high unemployment in the slow recovery from economic recession, rather than an outright repudiation of their policies.
    Democratic Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina told CBS that the Republicans were on the wrong side of history on the health care issue. Clyburn noted that similar calls for repeal followed landmark legislation in the past including the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that allowed African-Americans to vote.

    "The fact of the matter is what we did with health care is to make that a fundamental right of every citizen," Clyburn said.
    nope
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